Australia’s gun laws not working

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Hmmm, funny thing, much of the pro gun crowd would not consider this shooting to be a mass shooting because it is a familial murder suicide. So the US pro gun groups usually overlook the very numerous sorts of mass shootings like this as not being mass shootings, but yet when it happens in a more anti-gun country, it is now a mass shooting. Interesting.

Singular example are hardly proof that something is or is not working. The information has to be taken in context. Does Australia have a bunch of mass shootings?

Google "4 people shot," "6 people shot," "6 people shot," "family murder suicide" etc. and see how many we have going on here. Is that therefore proof that our pro-gun laws are not working?
Well, the term "mass shooting" as used in this country is erroneous. It was introduced by the media to apply to what are more accurately multiple homicides.

Correctly, a "mass shooting" is something that occurs in a despotic dictatorship etc where a neighborhood or community is massacred.

This is something the "pro gun" society has allowed to take place without any opposition. The term should have been met with ridicule from the get go.
 
I mean their annual report for 2015, which is the latest year for which I could find statistics.

I do hope people won't ask me to Google it for them.
 
There's a scene in the movie Silverado where the brothers are riding out of Turley with a posse hot on their heels.

At some point in the chase someone starts sniping at the posse. The sniper shoots a rock out from underneath one guys foot. He cuts someone else's reins. Then he shoots a branch right next to the Sheriff's head.

The posse members question who's shooting at them and one says to the Sheriff "He's not hitting anything, let's keep going." The Sheriff looks at him like he's crazy and says " You fool! He's hit everything he's aimed at." The sniper then shoots the hat right off the Sheriff's head.

Australia's gun laws have hit everything they've aimed at.
 
You take the top 4 most dangerous US cities (Baltimore, St Louis, New Orleans, and Chicago) out, and the US rate is near Australia's.
Take the top 10 most populous counties (of 3000 US counties, so 0.3%) out of the mix, and the US falls to about 49th in the world, well below Australia.

If you look at the numbers, St. Louis city is only 311,000 people(I live in St. Louis and VERY few people actually live in the city), New Orleans is 391,000, Baltimore is 614,000. Detroit is #4 and way above Chicago, just that Chicago's infamous "South Side" is basically a war zone. Yes, I do agree, if you take out some of the violent inner cities, the USA has a pretty low intentional homicide rate.
 
If you look at the numbers, St. Louis city is only 311,000 people(I live in St. Louis and VERY few people actually live in the city), New Orleans is 391,000, Baltimore is 614,000. Detroit is #4 and way above Chicago, just that Chicago's infamous "South Side" is basically a war zone. Yes, I do agree, if you take out some of the violent inner cities, the USA has a pretty low intentional homicide rate.
Don't forget about Memphis........to paraphrase Andrew Zimmern, "another dangerous destination"
 
The goal is not reduction of crimes involving use of firearms. That just what they tell foot soldiers of gun control movement. The real purpose of gun control can not be revealed because it would result in loss of foot soldiers.
 
Rather than mysterious conspiracy hints, spell it out please.
 
Gun control has never been about anything else but control - period.
Repeating this rubric does us a disservice. The vast majority of gun controllers are well-meaning, but misguided, people. Maybe they're "useful idiots," but still, it's hard to find any would-be dictators in the background, pulling their strings. Even Mike Bloomberg is not much of a would-be dictator. As for George Soros, well, now we're venturing into tin-foil territory.

That said, the gun-control debate is a veneer over a deeper layer of social antipathy. Many of the "well meaning" gun controllers are coastal elites, suburbanites, academics, media mavens, etc., who absolutely hate the "rednecks" who inhabit "flyover country." They conflate gun owners with the social groups that they dislike. Guns are a convenient stand-in for general social polarization. In that sense, then, the gun issue is about social control -- about who controls the culture -- but it's not about a narrowly defined tyranny or political dictatorship.

I don't see Australia as having become a dictatorship because of its strict gun control laws. In fact most democracies have Australian-style gun laws, or worse. America is probably unique in the world as being an economically developed democracy with recognized gun rights and a vibrant gun culture. Usually those things don't go together.
 
Except that we are not a Democracy, but a Republic. And do not think for a minute that the likes of Bloomberg/Soros/Clinton, et al don't want to disarm us. You cannot install a successful totalitarian regime when the people can fight back. Those elites want that control because they believe they are our "betters" who know what is the right thing for everyone ELSE to do.
 
A bit of a rant:

For those that constantly compare the murder rate in Australia, Japan, or wherever to the murder rate in the US, I usually point out that it's like comparing apples to oranges in many ways. They like to compare anything except the demographics of the respective countries. As an example, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2013, Blacks or African Americans, who make up about 13% of the population, committed 2,698 murders and all other races committed 3,025. That works out to be 47% of the murders being committed by 13% of the population. How do the demographics compare between all other countries and the US and where would the US fall as far as murder rate with any other country if you removed the 2698 and that 13% committed murders at the same rate as all other races combined?

The media, and certain others, scream about mass murders/school shootings and how something must be done to prevent/mitigate the mayhem, yet, as of today, 174 people have been shot and killed in Chicago alone. Hear that in the national news or from anyone? Any success in mitigating the murders in just one city like Chicago? Seems to me that those who are so outraged about the number of people killed in mass shootings should be going ballistic over the number of shooting deaths just in the city of Chicago which probably surpasses the number of all mass shooting deaths in the entire US. Are they?

Sources: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

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I don't care about the stats, I have no intention of moving to or visiting Australia and any where in the United "Kingdom" for that matter.
 
I don't care about the stats, I have no intention of moving to or visiting Australia and any where in the United "Kingdom" for that matter.
That's really a myopic view because most of these countries have great things to see, do, eat, and visit
 
Repeating this rubric does us a disservice. The vast majority of gun controllers are well-meaning, but misguided, people. Maybe they're "useful idiots," but still, it's hard to find any would-be dictators in the background, pulling their strings. Even Mike Bloomberg is not much of a would-be dictator. As for George Soros, well, now we're venturing into tin-foil territory.

That said, the gun-control debate is a veneer over a deeper layer of social antipathy. Many of the "well meaning" gun controllers are coastal elites, suburbanites, academics, media mavens, etc., who absolutely hate the "rednecks" who inhabit "flyover country." They conflate gun owners with the social groups that they dislike. Guns are a convenient stand-in for general social polarization. In that sense, then, the gun issue is about social control -- about who controls the culture -- but it's not about a narrowly defined tyranny or political dictatorship.

I don't see Australia as having become a dictatorship because of its strict gun control laws. In fact most democracies have Australian-style gun laws, or worse. America is probably unique in the world as being an economically developed democracy with recognized gun rights and a vibrant gun culture. Usually those things don't go together.
The vast majority of gun controllers are indeed useful idiots. Their strings are being pulled by their activist organizers at the major NGO level, further fueled by syndicated media, and enabled by the legislative branches and judiciaries.

It is the same in Australia as it is here. And in the UK. And in France, et al. It is not about "a dictator", it is about a power elite. Hence you get people like Diane Feinstein who publicly stated she carries a handgun - and at the same time has publicly stated she would disarm all of us if she could.

It's in your face, not some veiled plot. It's right in your face. If you are paying attention, and if your memory doesn't wipe itself every few years.
 
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The Gun Laws in Australia are doing exactly what they wanted them to do with the exception of their "excuse reason". They wanted firearms limited and it did just that.
 
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