International Response - Australia Has the Answer

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We knew this was coming. I wonder how many sheep will buy off on it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18149774/

Shootings Draw Worldwide Condemnation

Australia’s Howard holds his country’s tough laws as the answer
Paul Miller / AP file
Australian Prime Minister John Howard
MSNBC News Services

SYDNEY, Australia - The deadly shooting rampage Monday at Virginia Tech university, which dominated media reports in many countries, drew widespread condemnation.
In Sydney, Australian Prime Minister John Howard said Tuesday the attack showed that America’s “gun culture” was a negative force in society, holding up tough gun laws in his own country as the answer.
In London, Buckingham Palace issued a statement on Monday saying: “The Queen was shocked and saddened to hear of the news of the shooting in Virginia.”
Queen Elizabeth II and her husband, Prince Philip, are scheduled to visit Virginia May 3-4.
‘We took action’
Howard introduced strict gun ownership laws after the shooting massacre of 35 people in the southern island state of Tasmania in 1996.
“We had a terrible incident at Port Arthur, but it is the case that 11 years ago we took action to limit the availability of guns,” said Howard, who extended his sympathies to the families of the victims who were killed at the hands of what he described as “a crazed gunman.”
“We showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country.”
In 1996 a gunman with a semi-automatic rifle killed 35 people at Port Arthur in Australia’s worst modern-day shooting massacre.
The horror of that massacre prompted Howard to confront Australia’s gun lobby and imposed laws banning almost all types of semi-automatic weapons.
The government spent A$300 million ($250 million) buying more than 600,000 weapons from farmers, hunters and other members of the public before the new laws took affect.
But Howard told reporters: “You can never guarantee these things won’t happen again in our country.”
More than 30,000 people die from gunshot wounds in the United States every year and there are more guns in private hands than in any other country. But a powerful gun lobby and support for gun ownership rights have largely thwarted attempts to tighten controls.
Australia’s small Greens party called on Tuesday for a further review of the nation’s gun control laws, saying the latest U.S. shooting involved a multiple-shot pistol and there were an estimated 250,000 handguns in Australia.
“We really need to go back and look at the laws in Australia which permit handguns to be available, and that includes handguns with up to 10 bullets in the magazine,” Greens Senator Bob Brown told reporters.
“We Greens are saying let’s remove the potential, as far as we can, for a repeat massacre by somebody wielding a multiple-shot handgun,” he said.
‘They have got to change the law’
In India, which has some 80,000 students in the U.S. Commentators called for greater protection and stricter gun laws.
“It’s not a question of an Indian professor getting killed in the firing. This is related to the American gun laws,” said K. Subrahmanyam, a former member of India’s National Security Council.
“We can’t do anything about it. It is something which has happened in the United States. They have got to change the law.”
© 2007 MSNBC InteractiveThe Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
 
Yeah I read this and while that may work in Down Under, I see this as a two-sided problem

The prime minister stated that he made those changes when the tragedy struck in his country 10 years ago or so. We need to change our laws? What about citizens in Australia that believe is gun rights?

All it will take is some news about something going bad down under to have people of Australia think again
 
Australia’s small Greens party called on Tuesday for a further review of the nation’s gun control laws, saying the latest U.S. shooting involved a multiple-shot pistol and there were an estimated 250,000 handguns in Australia. “We really need to go back and look at the laws in Australia which permit handguns to be available, and that includes handguns with up to 10 bullets in the magazine,” Greens Senator Bob Brown told reporters. “We Greens are saying let’s remove the potential, as far as we can, for a repeat massacre by somebody wielding a multiple-shot handgun,” he said. ‘They have got to change the law’
The key point of the article.
 
John Howard...

And the rest of those bliss-ninnies suffer from acute recto-cranial inversion syndrome. The events of yesterday have actually moved my significant other (wife) to actually ask me to buy her a gun. I am so very sorry that it took such a hideous act to motivate her....
 
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"More than 30,000 people die in the United States from gunshot wounds every year?"


I call BS on this one. Last time I looked it's been about 25,000 homicides in the US every year. Of that I believe about 30-40% are by firearm.


I was just looking up some statistics, in 2001 the medical association found that there were up to 98,000 deaths due to mis-diagnosis or improper administration of drugs, etc. BY QUALIFIED DOCTORS. This number has only gone up. Right now it it somewhere between 225,000 and 785,000 annually. Why the huge disparity? I'm not sure, but I believe the medical community doesn't want to admit to some deaths. Anyway, your are far more likely to die by the hands of your doctor than to be murdered.
 
I post on other forums under a different name. The aussie guys on one forum have actually been using this incident to gloat about how wonderful their anti-gun society is. About how being a gun owner somehow makes you a danger to yourself and others. They actually believe that any gun owner is capable of doing something similar to what happened in VA, like we are all on the brink of snapping at any moment. It is sad to see grown men act like such children.

With all due respect I think Mr. Howard should go pee up a rope.
 
Oh, excuse me:

From:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/murder_homicide.html

Overview

* An estimated 16,692 persons were murdered nationwide in 2005, an increase of 3.4 percent from the 2004 figure.
* Murder comprised 1.2 percent of the overall estimated number of violent crimes in 2005. (Based on Table 1.)
* There were an estimated 5.6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants.


And this:
Of the homicides for which the type of weapon was specified, firearms were used in 72.6 percent of the offenses. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 7.) Of the identified firearms used, handguns comprised 87.3 percent.


Okay, so that is 12,118.392 estimated deaths by firearm (10,579 by handgun) in the United States in 2005. Why are we talking about this?


[EDIT] In contrast:

http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/homicide.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/02_selectedCrimeProfiles.html#homicide
 
Some Asian guy murders essentially helpless students in cold blood and the global response is to ban firearms in America!

I don't see anybody jumping up and crying for a gun ban in Iraq and there are far more mass murders there than in America, and far fewer people too.
I don't see anybody screaming for a gun ban in Israel or Palastine territories and plenty enough mass murder to turn anybodies stomach occurs here every year.
Same goes for the Sudan, I don't see anybody standing up and crying out to disarm the GOVERNMENT backed rebels who kill in cold blood hundreds of thousands by well educated estimates there either.

I guess these countries of example are not civilized enough for the global do gooders to stand up and take note of.

Or maybe the global do gooders should just keep their nose out of our internal affairs.
 
This will get a lot of attention on the international scene. Do you find it odd that we do not give a dam about other nations opinion on our conduct of foreign policy but our lawmakers may bring it into play on domestic laws?

A ROK national murders dozens of US citizens with what appear to be illegally acquired firearms and the media calls for tighter gun laws?

Why is there no examination of immigration? Influence of foreign nationals in domestic policy?

Two of the most heinous crimes in US history are comitted by non-US citizens in the country on student visas and the result is US citizens lose freedoms? Crazy as a word does that situation no justice...
 
I dont think Australia has much room to talk about arms control. A few years ago, gang members hijacked a large shipment of Glocks destined for an Australian police department as it sat on the docks. :scrutiny:

Kharn
 
More than 30,000 people die from gunshot wounds in the United States every year and there are more guns in private hands than in any other country. But a powerful gun lobby and support for gun ownership rights have largely thwarted attempts to tighten controls.

This "quote" has been used in a number of articles in the last day or two. Howard is now calling essentially for the elimination of handguns in his country. Crime statistics do no support his recommendations or beliefs. Australian gun control has been largely ineffective in reducing crime. Why should it be different here in the US? It has only restricted the rights of Australian citizens and if they pass similar laws here, the effect will be the same. No significant change, and the honest citizen will be disarmed defenseless and his rights reduced.
 
Well, as outrageous as the idea of banning guns, it shouldn't surprise us. We live more and more in a world where easy answers are the only answers.

We have millions of fat people who will continue to be fat until a "THIN PILL" is invented. Sex - Viagra, Levitra, Cialis. Attention - Ritalen. Et cetera, Et cetera.

It seems fitting that we have a stupid approach to violence and the ills of society as well. Never mind WHY the guy is insane, as long as he doesn't have access to guns, he is no threat. Does anyone believe that? A Resounding YES seems to be the answer.


:barf:
 
Funny you should mention drugs they are now reporting the gun man was on anti-depressants. Hmm, guess the magic pill failed us there...

More on the international response. Seems the Germans are blaming Charlton Heston. Since this guy blew away a concentration camp survivor you would think they would be cheering. The irony....
 
Funny you should mention drugs they are now reporting the gun man was on anti-depressants. Hmm, guess the magic pill failed us there...
IIRC, almost all of the school shooters from the mid-90s to today have been on Prozac or similar drugs.

Kharn
 
Antidepressant statistics

Actually from what I have red, person on antidepressants is about 50% more likely to commit a suicide, as compare to a person who is getting one on one councelling with a psychologist/social worker:).
However, the drug companies and insurance companies, which so generously finance Republicans make certain that social worker is less easily accessable and costs much more then a pill, which is just as likely to kill you as it is to make you feel better by making you an addict to it FOR LIFE>
 
:confused: :rolleyes: I can't let this go unchallenged.

However, the drug companies and insurance companies, which so generously finance Republicans make certain that social worker is less easily accessable and costs much more then a pill,

Are you suggesting that medications should be more expensive so that they will cost more than meeting with a social worker? Or are you suggesting that all of us should be compelled to pay for social workers for everyone?

which is just as likely to kill you as it is to make you feel better by making you an addict to it FOR LIFE
Citation please. You opinion does not equal fact.
 
Well, the point is that we want an easy pill / button / procedure / answer for everything.

So instead of looking at the larger problems (premarital sex, feelings of desperation, immigration and so on) we just blame the access to guns and write it off saying that "if we banned guns, this wouldn't happen."

Even though bombs, poisons, bio agents and so on kill many more than guns... No plan has ever been put forth to STOP murder... We should just punish those that do it and prepare people to discourage crime... Crime isn't preventable, on the whole.
 
MBT 2001- Aside from being ludicrously OT here, crime, all crime is a much bigger topic of discussion in the political arena than guns.

In any case more responses are rolling in from around the world. They all point to guns as the problem. Why am I not surprised?
 
What has this got to do with Australia,at all?This is an American issue and unfortunately,some poor sods will be made scapegoats by the media,the local citizens and the police force.If someone had a handgun,locked away in their dorm room or on their person,they might have had a chance to stop this crazy son of a b***h,before he had the opportunity,to murder 30 odd people.

Too many people blame guns and not the lunatic,that pulls the trigger and gun control,is lunacy at its best,because it has no effect whatsoever,on loonies.

It failed after the Hungerford massacre 20 years ago,it failed after the Dunblane massacre 11 years ago and the restrictions,that might be made law,in the future,will fail,without a question of a doubt.
 
36,000 die per year from common influenza in the US. It's a big country, so any category of death is going to have a big number attached to it.

What has this got to do with Australia,at all

That's the real question. The Europeans are fixated on the guns, as well. It's almost a pathology for them. They really, really, really want to end the RKBA in the US. It keeps them up at night.
 
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