Back to school: Bulletproof backpacks and jackets?

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I'm researching the usefulness and practicality of these trendy items for my kids. At first glance, to me they appear impractical since you would have to inculcate the proper mindset of using these tools not only in your children but also the school staff. I don't think it's easy to train your average 5 or 6 year old to grab his backpack, put it on in a strategic fashion on his/her chest and take cover when a madman enters the building. Similarly, I don't think I can rely on my teenagers to wear a heavy jacket all the time in school (wearing jackets inside is discouraged anyway, especially hoodies in my middle school).

What do y'all think?
 
I wonder though if they have ever been deployed successfully, not just in the US. Yes I definitely agree manufacturers are cashing in on parents' paranoia. But as a parent, I'm just exploring my options.
 
Statistically speaking, the likelihood of a school shooting hovers just above zero, overblown media hype notwithstanding.

Your kids are far more likely to get hit by a car or drown.


It makes more sense to prepare for those things that are likely to happen.
 
With the caviat that I think its a bad idea, AR500 is making a backplate that is used in backpacks. Its gonna be heavy though.
 
Young children shouldn't be carrying much more than ~15% maybe 20% of their body weight on their backs all the time. Honestly I think carrying around a too heavy backpack is more harmful than being exposed to the chance of getting shot.
 
Yeah, I mean I think we all value our childrens lives, but I'm not going to dress them in a bomb disposal units suit just because they have a .00000001% chance of being shot in a school shooting.
 
Weight is a non issue. I offer the experience of Jeff Quinn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDSrv8XWJfE

I think a bulletproof backpack is a little overboard for a middle school or younger wearing around considering how statistically rare mass shootings in schools are. I do see a use in one for people living in high risk areas who want a little extra protection though.
 
I'm researching the usefulness and practicality of these trendy items for my kids. At first glance, to me they appear impractical since you would have to inculcate the proper mindset of using these tools not only in your children but also the school staff. I don't think it's easy to train your average 5 or 6 year old to grab his backpack, put it on in a strategic fashion on his/her chest and take cover when a madman enters the building. Similarly, I don't think I can rely on my teenagers to wear a heavy jacket all the time in school (wearing jackets inside is discouraged anyway, especially hoodies in my middle school).

What do y'all think?
It's hard to believe but in America it's harder to buy level 3 vest then a firearm. Crazzzzy.
 
I agree the odds are far against it. If i was that afraid for my kids at school, I'd probably leave the area anyway/

But kudos to any company that sees a market niche and goes for it. Dumb idea or not, taking advantage of panicking parents or not. it's putting food on someone's table, and paying for that table and the roof over that room.
 
I think they are a complete waste made only to cash in on parents paranoia.
+1 on that

your kid is much more likely to die in your bathtub by several orders of magnitude. make them wear a life vest in there, they will be safer than with a bullet proof backpack
 
Weight is a non issue. I offer the experience of Jeff Quinn.

Weight is a very real issue, Jeff Quinn not withstanding.

Other than the extra couple of lbs of weight and price, nothing is wrong with the backpack, but it has virtually no chance of being utilized. The backpack is a way of trying to assuage parents of their fears of a gunman armed with something less than a rifle caliber shooting up a school during a time when their child is in possession of the backpack and their child is able to utilize it appropriately.

Now I don't know what in in your kids' backpacks, but my kids' packs are fairly bulletproof when they are loaded with books already, and not readily maneuverable around the body with all the books in side.

As noted, this is such a rare event that such observances are really pretty silly. If you are truly worried about your child's safety, there are a plethora of other things you could be doing for them first for $250 that would be more reasonable and more useful than a ballistic backpack.

It's hard to believe but in America it's harder to buy level 3 vest then a firearm. Crazzzzy.
It really isn't for most of us. You can order ballistic protection gear via the internet in most cases, up to Level IV gear.
 
Any school shooting recieves coverage often on a national level, permanent memorials, etc While far more students die on a regular basis of other causes like car accidents and no memorial or permanent reminder nor news coverage beyond the immediate area.

This gives a perception that it is a bigger issue than it is as you will be bombarded and reminded of any shooting.

Many school shootings, but not all, have allowed the shooter extensive time to act. This has often included finishing off or shooting previously wounded victims, or searching for victims and giving close range shots.

Bullet resistant material is primarily useful when it is accompanied by return fire. Like with police or soldiers who are armed and begin shooting back. When not accompanied by return fire the attacker has more time for precision aim, less pressure, and can continue to deliver rounds until they get the result they want.
When accompanied by return fire ballistic protection reduces the effective hit zone while putting pressure on the shooter. When not accompanied by return fire a reduced hit zone is less helpful, and the shooter has the luxury of aiming or shooting without pressure to get the result they desire.
It theoretically could help while briefly exposed while making a run for it, but the increased weight of the resistant material on a child is likely to slow thier running speed and as a result increase how long they are exposed to gunfire.
They may also still be injured or downed by the level or protection provided by most casual bullet resistant material so vulnerable to subsequent shots.
Negating the benefit.

Also keep in mind a few things.
As a result of security changes in many schools students do not have access to thier backpacks while in the classroom, where they spend most of thier day and have the highest percentage chance of being when a shooting happens.
A bullet proof backpack in the locker at the time has no impact.
They are unlikely to have rifle plates or ballistic protection equal to even most handguns rounds without being seriously encumbered by the weight and heat of the garment. Being less than that worn by police officers if the fabric can bend and move without looking like a ballistic vest.
Meaning it would be unlikely to even stop the rounds of weapons often used while still encumbering the child.
Most police vests are stiff and uncomfortable and still not that useful against most rifle calibers, a child would likely be wearing less protection.
While when loaded with books they already have a level of protection similar to what purpose made material would have. (Consider phone book bullet tests you often see, and consider hard cover books are even denser.)

The result is a kid would not likely have the backpack, probably never need a jacket, and be overheated and uncomfortable long term trying to wear something that quite likely wouldn't even provide a lot of help if they did experience a shooting.
On top of that they are expensive, and children often lose or misplace jackets and backpacks or have them stolen. Adding a costly expense that may be more than a one time deal.
They also wear out if exposed to liquids, sweat, etc and would probably need to be replaced a few times throughout K-12 or beyond.
 
I have to take issue with the weight isn't an issue thing. The soft armor I wore as a LEO wasn't that heavy...but hot! My old plate carrier is a heavy pig. Kid sized or not...that would make for an unhappy kid...and one that stands out...definitely not the gray man.
Again I am againt kids and body armor....can't believe I would ever have to even type that. Let the kid be a kid. Teach him a bit of SA...thats all you can really do.
Those kids you see that are part of the militant preppers groups are going to have serious problems later in life IMHO.
 
Your child has a million times greater chance of being hurt in a car accident on the way to school than being shot. I think all the bullet proof kids accessories are for the paranoid
 
I'm a teacher and proposed Kevlar neckties for teachers as a novelty. No one wanted to invest.
I've tested bullets vs. books. 500 pages of textbook will stop a jhp+P from a 9mm or a .38 SPL. 1,000 pages will stop a jacketed ball round of same. One big text or two smaller ones in the backpack will serve the same purpose.
If you're relying on a reinforced backpack then you've already gone through several layers of screwup.
 
Riding the school bus, riding a bike or having you drive your kids is more of a danger, statistically.
The world is a dangerous place.
 
I think it is ironic that bulletproof children's backpacks are against the law to sell in Connecticut.

Lost Sheep

caveat: I got the illegality assertion from another thread but have not been able to verify the legality or illegality of selling bullet-resistant children's backpacks in CT.
 
They will only stop a handgun bullet or buckshot. If someone has a rifle even the body armor wore by police officers won't stop it. If someone invades a school they are going to use a rifle. At least that has been the MO of past school shooters.
 
the cost of arming and even modestly training just three school personnel is a lot less than any classroom full of bulletproof back packs.
 
Let's see:

60 million children attending 119,00 schools in the US.

In 1992-93, 55 of them were killed in school shootings and that number has been falling ever since.

That's 59,999,945 children that didn't die in a school shooting.

Perhaps someone better at math than me can figure out the percentage, but I think you should buy a matching helmet to go with the backpack so you can protect them against meteors as well.
 
Not only a bad idea, but a terrible tactical decision if there ever is a shooting. The schools try to get everyone to stay put and stand still. This is to make it easier for law enforcement to clear rooms and also makes drills safe and easy. It's the "duck and cover" of our time. In reality of course the proper response is to get out of there. By any means necessary. Break windows, jump to the ground, etc. The best way to survive is to not be there anymore, or at least to be a moving target on the way out.
 
If it was Mithril from Tolkien's universe, I might go for it.

Since we're here in reality, I think the combination of weight and expense, along with the false sense of security that goes along with it, makes this a no-go. I agree that most kids won't have the presence of mind to hide behind it, and I'd add that hiding behind it won't do any good when the gunner is standing over you at point blank. He's just going to shoot whatever is exposed or rip it away. But parents are likely to buy these and skip any real training/instruction that could actually save a child's life (or at least increase the odds).

I don't know the statistics, but your kids are probably more likely to die in a bus wreck. If you want to spend money to protect your kids, buy an armored car to drive them to school in or pay for that private school that arms their teachers.
 
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