:barf: LA Times story on "Girl vs. Her Father's Guns"

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One of the more nauseating bits of trash journalism I've read in a while...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-julie10mar10,0,1135938.story

Shot and paralyzed 20 years ago, Julie Alban -- now with a baby -- wanted her dad's arms kept out of the house.
By David Haldane, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 10, 2008
Julie Alban still grimaces when she passes her old bedroom.

"This is where I crawled down the hallway to call 911," she explains, pushing her wheelchair along the polished wooden floor. "I had to pull my whole body with my arms. My elbows were all bloody."

What happened that morning 20 years ago altered the course of her life and set the stage for most of what would come.

Though paralyzed from the waist down when shot by a boyfriend she had known since childhood, Alban went on to become a Long Beach prosecutor specializing in domestic abuse cases, a Republican candidate for Assembly, champion for the rights of disabled people and, most recently, mother of a 5-month-old boy. A frequent inspirational speaker, she also has become an ardent proponent of gun control.

Recently, in fact, she raised the issue in a confrontation with her father, owner of the gun that cut her down, at a gala fundraising dinner attended by celebrities and friends.

"You are a loving and devoted father," the disabled lawyer told Seymour Alban, 83, an orthopedic surgeon, former reserve police officer, prominent Republican and lifelong lover of guns. "It's ironic that the person who loves me the most could somehow be a participant in my injury."

That misfortune occurred June 8, 1988, when Julie Alban's then-boyfriend, Bradley D. Ackerman, strolled into her bedroom in her parent's Long Beach home and shot her in the back. He then turned the gun on himself, inflicting a minor wound.

......(Edited for length)......

"There were only two things I always wanted," she says, "a career and to have a family. At 41 I felt that I had achieved what I wanted professionally. There wasn't much left for me there. I just felt an inordinate desire to have the connection" of being a parent.

She was put in touch with a married mother of four willing to give birth to the child. Alban's egg was mixed with donor sperm and implanted into the surrogate.

The result was Joseph Abraham Alban, born Oct. 6.

"He is a true miracle," Julie Alban says. "I can't believe that my life's journey -- so disrupted at age 22 -- has taken this turn."

As Alban settled into the routine of motherhood, however, a dark specter began to haunt her. To help make ends meet, she had moved back to her parents' home, the site of her maiming. There she was astonished to discover her father still clinging to his guns.

"He had them everywhere," she says. "I didn't want them in the house with my baby. We are not a family that can afford to have another tragedy. I pleaded with him for months, but he just wouldn't budge."

Eventually she called a family friend, a police officer, who agreed to store the weapons in a gun locker at his home. For a while, Alban says, it seemed like the problem was solved. Then the family learned that Seymour Alban had taken back the guns and moved them to his medical office in Los Alamitos.

"I don't get it," Julie Alban said. "There's nothing in my life that I love the way he loves those guns."

Several months ago, Los Alamitos police, informed of the situation by Julie's brother, Dr. Joseph Alban, who shares his father's practice, removed two shotguns, a 9-mm handgun and a .32-caliber pistol from the offices on Katella Avenue.

Though no laws had been broken, police spokesman Sgt. Jeff Travis said, the weapons "were being kept in an unsecured manner. They were probably unsafe in that people could have access to them. We took them and booked them for safekeeping."


Julie Alban, incredulous at her father's tenacity, decided to confront him publicly. What better place, she thought, than the annual Sports Legends Awards Dinner for the Paralysis Project of America, where she was scheduled to speak before 450 people. Among them would be such sports celebrities as retired Phoenix Suns player Kevin Johnson, jockey Jose Santos and boxer Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini.

As the date of the event at the downtown Los Angeles Omni Hotel drew near, the usually confident lawyer grew nervous. Her mother sat on the group's board of directors and Seymour Alban was on its Scientific Committee. Although she had argued about guns with him before, she'd never done it in such a public forum.

"Your unshakable optimism propelled me to succeed," Julie Alban told her father, who was standing next to her on the podium. But her injury never would have happened, she said, "if it hadn't been for one mistake. There are 200 million privately owned weapons in the United States, 24% of them handguns. Yet they are responsible for 70% to 90% of all fatal shootings. A gun is used for self-protection less than 5% of the time."

Seymour Alban smiled. "I am very proud of my beautiful daughter," he said, describing what had happened to her as a "terrible tragedy."

In the privacy of an upstairs room, however, the doctor spoke more freely.

"I don't feel that I did anything irresponsible," he said. "My gun was stolen from me. There was nothing I could do."

An ardent hunter, marksman, ROTC graduate and outdoorsman, Alban had long been devoted to his weapons. There was another reason for his fervor: He had watched helplessly decades ago as, a continent away, his fellow Jews were marched to their deaths.

"The first thing Hitler did," Alban said, "was confiscate the guns. Guns were my culture. If anyone threatened my family, I'd rather die protecting them than walk to the gas chamber."


In light of his own family's tragedy, however, all that had worn thin. "The idea of defending ourselves was very important to me," Alban said, "but our lives have been changed."

Then he made a confession: Unbeknown to his family, he had retrieved his guns from the police station's evidence room, where they had been stored.

Rather than take them home, however, he had returned them to the secured locker at his friend's house, where he says they will remain.

"I think Julie's right," the doctor admitted, "the weapons should be stored."
 
To help make ends meet, she had moved back to her parents' home, the site of her maiming. There she was astonished to discover her father still clinging to his guns.

She moves into her father's house then demands that he gets rid of his guns? Then she deliberately tries to embarrass him in public in front of his friends? Wow!

It is tragic that she got shot but I have a hard time working up much sympathy for her.
 
2 sentences devoted to the fact that HER BOYFRIEND AND FRIEND FROM CHILDHOOD SHOT HER IN THE BACK and a whole article on how it is entirely the fault of the gun? :banghead:
 
This stuff is just wrong.

What if it had been a kitchen knife?

I can understand that dangerous things should be properly secured. There are knives, household chemicals, power tools, and guns. I'm sure with a little time, a pretty good list could be compiled.

If someone lets a child get hold of these things and the child is injured, there may be some negligence on the parent's part. (Varies from state to state? I don't know.)

If someone lets an adult get ahold of these things, I understand he is then responsible for his actions. It isn't the tools fault.

Still, it might be a good idea to secure dangerous stuff. I'm not comfortable with the government telling me I have to do it, and I don't like the fact that the emphasis is on guns, ignoring the other dangerous things.
 
I don't know, looked like an interesting article to me. On one side you have a lady with a tragic event that happened to her, on the other an old man with a traumatic occurrance in his past.

I think she had a valid argument up until she demanded he remove his guns from his home. She could have A) lived somewhere else and B) asked that he store them in a safe with the baby running around.

Of course she has to quote BS statistics. 5% my a$$. Most aren't reported as evidenced on these forums.

If you don't like tigers, don't move in with Siegfried and Roy.
 
So... does everyone who was ever paralyzed by an automobile accident while inside their parents' car demand that their parents get rid of their cars, and if they don't, demand the police remove them, and then try to publicly embarrass their parents for owning the cars?
 
So...#1 the little weasel-girl chooses a sicko boyfriend who shoots her (and paralyzes her for life) so...#2 she decides to have a baby (sans Daddy) which she can't support, so that...#3 she can move back in with Daddy and embarass him in Public.

What a vicious chick.
 
She's a capital-L Liberal. Nosey and bossy, unfair and unjust, she's a perfect Liberal example. They can be great people, but they'll victimize you in a heartbeat, the worst cases simply can turn their consciences off and do horrible things to other people.
 
This is a free country. You have a right to have all the irrational fears of inanimate objects you want. You do not, however, have the right to force your cowardice on me.

I like that! May I borrow it? Credit will be given.
 
Is anyone surprised that she's a lawyer?

Los Angeles Times said:
A frequent inspirational speaker, she also has become an ardent proponent of gun control.
There's no mention of whether or not she's an an ardent proponent of choosing decent human beings as boyfriends.


Oh, by the way:
Los Angeles Times said:
There was another reason for his fervor: He had watched helplessly decades ago as, a continent away,
his fellow Jews were marched to their deaths.
I'd cling to my damn' guns, too. And will.
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Some may not like this, but here goes...

Life is all about good decisions. Her choice in boyfriends, apparently not very good. Perhaps her father's decision in storage, not the best either (still does not justify this). Her choice to speak out and attempt to publicly humiliate her father, not a good decision...

And...

The "choice" to become a parent without a father for the baby when you can't afford to care for a child... probably not a super good decision either!

If I am wrong about her being a single parent, please correct me.

Oh yes... a gun could hurt her baby, but not having a father... that is fine! :banghead:
 
A gun is used for self-protection less than 5% of the time."

What does this even mean? Five percent of what? That doesn't even make any sense. If she's comparing defensive uses of a firearm to criminal misuse then she is obviously mistaken.

People like this upset me. She has no right to move in to her FATHER'S house and demand that he get rid of his guns. And she blames her father as if it was his fault. This lady is dumb.
 
Clearly there's something going on here beyond just the guns. To "out" one's own father in front of an entire dinner audience, over something that would be irrelevant if you weren't living in his house, is appalling.

Unfortunately, the entire article is slanted towards the "guns = evil" end of the spectrum, and a crucial element - the Holocaust, for crying out loud - is shunted off to the end.
 
Similar domestic violence situation I know of involved abusive husband, wife and kitchen knife. The wife blamed the abusive husband, got rid of him, got a non-abusive second husband, and still has sharp, pointy knives in her kitchen.

It is not the weapon that kills--or maims--but the hard hearted abuser. Blaming the thing--or an innocent owner--is wrong on more than one level.

This story does remind us of how irrational the gun control mindset can be, which is a good thing. There is no compromise with that mindset--they want only total surrender.
 
Typical Kali lib. She will not own up to responsibility for her situation but rather blame it on others. What a twit.
 
He was sentenced to life in prison and was released after serving about 7½ years.

That is why we need guns. The system isn't interested in punishing criminals.

Julie Alban says. "I can't believe that my life's journey -- so disrupted at age 22 -- has taken this turn."

I guess she forgot all of the help and support that her parents gave her. I think her pop should sell the house, retire, pack up his things and move to Florida.



In Texas, East Texas area, recently there was an older guy (80+) whose door was kicked in by two 20 something guys. They preceded to beat the tar out of him and he luckily had access to a gun, fired and "won" the engagement by virtue of holding his ground and staying alive. Had he not had a weapon, suffice it to say that things would have turned out differently.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...ries/wfaa080213_mo_fightingback.bd009f6a.html

I'm just saying...
 
Yup, the moron who maimed her is out and free to do it again, to her or someone else but she has her knickers in a knot because she can't move in and impose her will on her father. She's a govt lawyer- I'm sure she can afford her own place. What's that? I shouldn't be deciding what she can afford? Well. she seems to think she can run other peoples' lives so why can't others run hers? She probably thinks the State should "secure" my guns too. No thanks- I'll take my chances.
 
Id' be willing to bet that somewhere along the way her father warned her about the "boyfriend" and she ignored him.

It is certainly an awful thing but it's sad to see someone still being a victim and looking for places to blame all these years later.

That she made the speech to her father for the first time in public speaks volumes as well.

That's just about attention, nothing more.
 
There's no sense in trying to reason with someone who has a phobia, because the very definition of phobia is unreasoning fear. There are all sorts of phobias, from spiders to birds to satellites that interrupt our thought waves from outer space...and there is no convincing the phobic that they have nothing to fear. Even if they conquer their paralysis...there's still an underlying terror of the object or situation.

A tragic story all around.
 
I love my children but if one of them pulled a stunt like that they would be instantly "person non grata" untill such time as a very public apology and admission of wrong was made.
In this case the daughter would be living somewhere else that same day and the son who was complicit in the gun confiscation would be looking for another practice to share.
 
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