BB gun for beginner?
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If your wanting a rifle then you can never go wrong with a "Red Rider". Got my son one when he turned seven but not long after he shot my M-4 and has not looked back since. As far as a BB pistol I think Daisy makes several models that looks like real pistols, such as revolvers, 1911, etc.
Ex-MA Hole
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That and "Cheap".
Funny/ odd stipulations when combined together, no?
Funny/ odd stipulations when combined together, no?
chris in va
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Sounds like a troll to me.
hmm thanks for the replies.. hehe about looking real.. i dont want those little guns that looks like plastic and are all orange, know what i mean? im just looking for something decent to start with since im all new to the gun and gun safety scene.
mr.trooper
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me too.
But then again, I think that about every one who spells regular words with extra "Z"s
What about a Daisy Red Rider? Although they kinda suck now since they went to a plastic cocking handle...
But then again, I think that about every one who spells regular words with extra "Z"s
What about a Daisy Red Rider? Although they kinda suck now since they went to a plastic cocking handle...
I would never recommend a BB gun to anyone. BBs are hard and they bounce and riccochet way too much. Airguns that use lead pellets are much, much safer. That said, since you posted this in a handgun area I assume you're interested in an air pistol. Umarex, a division of Walther, makes a number of realistic pellet pistols under license from various manufacturers. You can get a copy of a Smith & Wesson 586 revolver, a Colt 1911, a Beretta 92, Walther's models P88 & P99 and others. Prices run from $175 to $800 for a Colt Gold Cup with compensator, red dot sight, etc. (yes, I'm still talking about an air gun).
I've owned the Beretta 92, Colt 1911A1 and Walther CP88. The Walther CP88 and Beretta 92 were much more accurate renditions than was the Colt. These guns are darned accurate, too. I had a red dot on the Walther and I could shoot 10-round, one-inch groups at 10 meters off a rest.
You might also consider an airsoft replica. Airsoft guns shoot 6mm plastic balls. They're accurate out to 20 feet or so, look real, are fairly cheap, and you can get true semi-autos that cycle the slide when fired, and even fully automatic MP-5s, M-16s, AK-47s and such.
Check out the airgun section on www.auctionarms.com, or just do a web search for airgun dealers. There are a ton of them.
I've owned the Beretta 92, Colt 1911A1 and Walther CP88. The Walther CP88 and Beretta 92 were much more accurate renditions than was the Colt. These guns are darned accurate, too. I had a red dot on the Walther and I could shoot 10-round, one-inch groups at 10 meters off a rest.
You might also consider an airsoft replica. Airsoft guns shoot 6mm plastic balls. They're accurate out to 20 feet or so, look real, are fairly cheap, and you can get true semi-autos that cycle the slide when fired, and even fully automatic MP-5s, M-16s, AK-47s and such.
Check out the airgun section on www.auctionarms.com, or just do a web search for airgun dealers. There are a ton of them.
MatthewVanitas
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Another vote for Airsoft
I'll agree on the whole Airsoft issue for a variety or reasons:
1) Airsoft 6mm plastic pellets are pretty darn cheap
2) Though it is possible to hurt somone with an airsoft gun, unless you hit them in the eye or chip a tooth it's relatively unlikely. Less likely to damage the house too. Not telling you to shoot things you shouldn't shoot, just saying the consequences are slightly less dire.
3) Airsoft airguns come in far, far cooler and more realistic versions than other airguns. Full-size visually-exact replicas of hundreds of firearms are available in Airsoft version. Airsoft Glocks, Colts, Sigs, all close resembling their real-life counterparts in look, feel, and handling.
4) Around $20 or so will get you a spring-powered Airsoft, where you rack the slide by hand to load each shot. A bit more cash will buy you an Airsoft that cycles itself either through battery power of with a "green gas" propellant sold at hobby shops and online.
5) A gentleman named Tatsuya Sakai won the 2004 Steel Challenge, an American handgun competition. Since Tatsuya lives in Japan, where civilian handguns are forbidden, he trained throughout the year with Airsoft, then arrived in the States a few months before the competition to get adjusted to using a real handgun. Food for thought...
So, if you're planning to hunt or engage in formal Olympic-type target shooting, a good-quality pellet gun would be the way to go.
But if I guess right, I figure you just want to have fun with a shooting-piece that works and feels like a real firearm. In that case, I'd check out the Airsoft options sold on www.gunbroker.com, Ebay, etc. Find one of good quality that resembles the kind of pistol you want to get after you move out of the house, and let the learning process begin. There are zillions of reviews written up on the web for various models and manufacturers of Airsoft, so plenty of places to read up on the subject.
Lots of good THR discussion on Airsoft and its use as a training tool, just click the "search" button at the top right of this webpage.
Good luck on starting out in the gun world, -MV
I'll agree on the whole Airsoft issue for a variety or reasons:
1) Airsoft 6mm plastic pellets are pretty darn cheap
2) Though it is possible to hurt somone with an airsoft gun, unless you hit them in the eye or chip a tooth it's relatively unlikely. Less likely to damage the house too. Not telling you to shoot things you shouldn't shoot, just saying the consequences are slightly less dire.
3) Airsoft airguns come in far, far cooler and more realistic versions than other airguns. Full-size visually-exact replicas of hundreds of firearms are available in Airsoft version. Airsoft Glocks, Colts, Sigs, all close resembling their real-life counterparts in look, feel, and handling.
4) Around $20 or so will get you a spring-powered Airsoft, where you rack the slide by hand to load each shot. A bit more cash will buy you an Airsoft that cycles itself either through battery power of with a "green gas" propellant sold at hobby shops and online.
5) A gentleman named Tatsuya Sakai won the 2004 Steel Challenge, an American handgun competition. Since Tatsuya lives in Japan, where civilian handguns are forbidden, he trained throughout the year with Airsoft, then arrived in the States a few months before the competition to get adjusted to using a real handgun. Food for thought...
So, if you're planning to hunt or engage in formal Olympic-type target shooting, a good-quality pellet gun would be the way to go.
But if I guess right, I figure you just want to have fun with a shooting-piece that works and feels like a real firearm. In that case, I'd check out the Airsoft options sold on www.gunbroker.com, Ebay, etc. Find one of good quality that resembles the kind of pistol you want to get after you move out of the house, and let the learning process begin. There are zillions of reviews written up on the web for various models and manufacturers of Airsoft, so plenty of places to read up on the subject.
Lots of good THR discussion on Airsoft and its use as a training tool, just click the "search" button at the top right of this webpage.
Good luck on starting out in the gun world, -MV
Shel
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You'll shoot your eye out!
MatthewVanitas
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@ elementz
Just so you know, the "you'll shoot your eye out" is a movie reference.
It's from the 1983 film "A Christmas Story", in which the main character desperately wants a Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas, but every adult (mother, teacher, department-store Santa) tells him "you'll shoot your eye out".
Let us know what you end up deciding, but I still vote for an Airsoft pistol resembling the model you plan to get in the future. Learn the fundamentals and prepare for real gun ownership. There's a ton of good info and reviews of different Airsoft models up at www.airsoftcore.com
Good luck in your search, -MV
Just so you know, the "you'll shoot your eye out" is a movie reference.
It's from the 1983 film "A Christmas Story", in which the main character desperately wants a Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas, but every adult (mother, teacher, department-store Santa) tells him "you'll shoot your eye out".
Let us know what you end up deciding, but I still vote for an Airsoft pistol resembling the model you plan to get in the future. Learn the fundamentals and prepare for real gun ownership. There's a ton of good info and reviews of different Airsoft models up at www.airsoftcore.com
Good luck in your search, -MV
WillBrayJr
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I would stay away from Daisy. Trust me, I had a Red Ryder 6 years old and it was garbage. I had idiots for parents. Crossman and Gamo are far better. Here's to links so you can compare regular airguns with airsoft guns:
www.airgunexpress.com
www.shortyusa.com
www.airgunexpress.com
www.shortyusa.com
hmm.. I was looking at this airsoft gun..
http://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-airmag-s1008-black.html
is it any good? better than the daisy?
http://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-airmag-s1008-black.html
is it any good? better than the daisy?
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why BB ?
Hi I dont know why you want a BB gun. BBs bounce off hard surfaces (it hurts!) and really dont meet the putpose of precision target practice. I suggest you get yourself a pistol that shoots .177 pellets. Co2 pistols by Umarex are good. Those by Gamo are cheaper. They all are replicas of pistols made by Beretta, Colt etc. (You want one that looks real. Right?)
I don't know how softair pistols will suit your purpose. If you are really interested in handgunning you will be tired of them in less than a month. Thats what I feel.
Hi I dont know why you want a BB gun. BBs bounce off hard surfaces (it hurts!) and really dont meet the putpose of precision target practice. I suggest you get yourself a pistol that shoots .177 pellets. Co2 pistols by Umarex are good. Those by Gamo are cheaper. They all are replicas of pistols made by Beretta, Colt etc. (You want one that looks real. Right?)
I don't know how softair pistols will suit your purpose. If you are really interested in handgunning you will be tired of them in less than a month. Thats what I feel.
WillBrayJr
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elementz said:
Yup, 100X better than Daisy.
Make sure you build a trap to contain missed shots. You'll need a large cardboard box, duct tape, and a common bath Towel.
The Crosman airsoft gets really terrible efficiency. IIRC, it shoots .12 gram bbs at about 260 fps, and gets 50-60 shots per 12 gram cartridge, and it's not blowback. I used to have a KWC 1911 gas blowback with CO2 adapter (until it self-destructed), which would shoot .2 gram bbs at about 350 fps, and it usually got roughly 110 full power shots and 10 wimpy shots per cartridge.
There was some other airsoft thing that used CO2 cartridges in the magazine (not the KWC S&W Sigma or Desert Eagle, something else), which was nearly as efficient as my old 1911, but I can't seem to find a link, or remember what it was called.
You know, if you want something you can practice with wherever, you may want to get a .38 revolver, a Lee Loader and Lee Hand Primer, some X-Ring rubber bullets, and some primers. I use X-Rings for practicing things that aren't that safe to do with live ammo, like firing while moving. My best group so far with those is 5 shots in 3/4" at about 25 feet, though they shoot about 5" low and 1" left at that distance.
There was some other airsoft thing that used CO2 cartridges in the magazine (not the KWC S&W Sigma or Desert Eagle, something else), which was nearly as efficient as my old 1911, but I can't seem to find a link, or remember what it was called.
You know, if you want something you can practice with wherever, you may want to get a .38 revolver, a Lee Loader and Lee Hand Primer, some X-Ring rubber bullets, and some primers. I use X-Rings for practicing things that aren't that safe to do with live ammo, like firing while moving. My best group so far with those is 5 shots in 3/4" at about 25 feet, though they shoot about 5" low and 1" left at that distance.
gudel
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did you see the prices on the tokyo marui? I could've bought a real gun for those prices!
WillBrayJr
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250fps-350fps is common for stock airsoft guns, after all they were designed for mil-sim games. Airsoft guns can get expensive, like $5300.00 for the PPP Minigun.
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