Be careful with your reloading

[MauriceSam]

It's interesting the comments about not shooting others people's reloads or sharing your reloads with others, (and I agree to a point), yet we as reloaders share recipes and suggestions to others (with the disclaimer to work loads up safely, and, I assume no responsibility for the load) all the time, which is how you go around the manufacturers data when you either can't find data for the powder/bullet you have. Just an observation......

 

[CQB45ACP]

Nah. Same goes for crossing the street. You have to look both ways before stepping off the curb but really you don’t know if the car you couldn’t see is gonna plow through the intersection and mow you down, along with a bunch of other people. Sometimes you just got to have a little faith.

Yeah, but drivers better not put faith in pedestrians.

Years ago I worked in a building on a one way street. Employees, tourists, and homeless for years looked in one direction as they jaywalked all day long and into the evening. Then the local government made it a two way street to relieve traffic congestion. Tourists got it fairly quickly—look both ways. But, homeless & long time employees operating on muscle memory, stupidity, and Ripple looked only in one direction. Many close calls and some got mowed over. No deaths but plenty of bumps and bruises.

Edit: who drank the Ripple? Homeless or employees?

 

[MauriceSam]

I reload generic ammo that fires satisfactorily in all of my 9mm for target practice/plinking, for example, and also load ammo that fires better for each individual pistol/rifle/etc. My point is that certain recipes work better in my HiPower than my SR9 or SCCY, etc. THIS is why I don't let others use my loads because I have tested these loads in MY guns. My son wanted me to load some rounds for his .270. Told him I needed the gun to get chamber dimensions to determine COAL, etc, that otherwise he just as soon but factory ammo. He didn't understand at first, but gets it now.

 

[CQB45ACP]

It's interesting the comments about not shooting others people's reloads or sharing your reloads with others, (and I agree to a point), yet we as reloaders share recipes and suggestions to others (with the disclaimer to work loads up safely, and, I assume no responsibility for the load) all the time, which is how you go around the manufacturers data when you either can't find data for the powder/bullet you have. Just an observation......

I don’t trust the internet.

 

[usaral63]

I'd have to know you pretty damn well before I'd even consider using your stuff...even then I'd likely balk. Example: member of my gun club recently gave me a big batch of ammo of misc. calibers, a lot of those were reloads and a huge batch of .25-20's were just so crappy that I tossed 'em, I salvaged what components I could.......got a few hundred primers, a small amount of good brass and what not along with a few hundred bullets of a caliber that is just not currently available....all handloads.....and lemme tell you it brought the focus of this discussion immediately to mind......now MOST of those loads were approximately correct as to the labeled charge but some were well under one HALF of what they should have been....................that ain't no small amount in a high powered rifle at all and it's possible that several of those could have well resulted in an obstructed bore.........................You go ahead and shoot some unknown others stuff, I will not!

In a somewhat related matter I have a friend that shucked the cylinder of a .44 Ruger in the same manner as the posted revolver.........God knows what the load really was but knowing him and the gear he was using I'd guess it was something like 20+ gr's of Unique under a 240...............He had a defectively functioning powder hopper on a cheap progressive.............no hurt to him, hole in wall and window.............Ruger even replaced the gun for nothing....Perhaps God does watch over the foolish!!

 

[Mark_Mark]

I don’t trust the internet.

Coffee Grinder guy probably heard about it on the internet

 

[CQB45ACP]

Coffee Grinder guy probably heard about it on the internet

Probably

Years ago I had the bright idea of grinding in the Cuisanart some dried cayenne peppers I grew. They were very very dry and “exploded” as I hit the pulse button filling the kitchen with pepper dust. Very painful. Kinda similar.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Yeah, but drivers better not put faith in pedestrians.

Years ago I worked in a building on a one way street. Employees, tourists, and homeless for years looked in one direction as they jaywalked all day long and into the evening. Then the local government made it a two way street to relieve traffic congestion. Tourists got it fairly quickly—look both ways. But, homeless & long time employees operating on muscle memory, stupidity, and Ripple looked only in one direction. Many close calls and some got mowed over. No deaths but plenty of bumps and bruises.

Edit: who drank the Ripple? Homeless or employees?

I'm going to guess, "both."

Like Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid."

 

[Remington1911]

Nah. Same goes for crossing the street. You have to look both ways before stepping off the curb but really you don’t know if the car you couldn’t see is gonna plow through the intersection and mow you down, along with a bunch of other people. Sometimes you just got to have a little faith.

Yes crossing the street has risk, but risk you can control...do I step out or do I not. Here I and be just sitting in the next bay.

 

[Y-T71]

Thing is you have no idea....there is a lot of trust that goes on to just step onto a public range, even at a large event. One of the reasons I quit going to public ranges.

Yeah, I get that.
Thankfully I haven't shot at a public range for a long time.
Last time I was at a public range (actually a state game land range; no RO, just a posted list of rules) there was a guy and his two young sons there already.

They had forgotten their eye and ear protection.
I didn't have enough eye pro with me but offered them ear protection as I always have more than enough disposable plugs for situations just like this.

The man declined and proceeded to "field strip" cigarette buts fluff up the filters and put those in his kids ears declaring himself immune to loud noises.

For the last 2 decades, I've been shooting at a friends private range.

He's been reloading nearly as long as me and I trust him and his process as much as mine SO, I shoot his loads out of his guns and he shoots my reloads out of my guns.

That's the ONLY way I would use others reloads or allow to be used, my reloads.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Yes crossing the street has risk, but risk you can control...do I step out or do I not. Here I and be just sitting in the next bay.

The obvious solutions are: accept the risk or avoid the risky situation. There's no third option since you cannot simply make all fools vanish with the snap of your fingers.

 

[Remington1911]

Yeah, I get that.
Thankfully I haven't shot at a public range for a long time.
Last time I was at a public range (actually a state game land range; no RO, just a posted list of rules) there was a guy and his two young sons there already.

They had forgotten their eye and ear protection.
I didn't have enough eye pro with me but offered them ear protection as I always have more than enough disposable plugs for situations just like this.

The man declined and proceeded to "field strip" cigarette buts fluff up the filters and put those in his kids ears declaring himself immune to loud noises.

For the last 2 decades, I've been shooting at a friends private range.

He's been reloading nearly as long as me and I trust him and his process as much as mine SO, I shoot his loads out of his guns and he shoots my reloads out of my guns.

That's the ONLY way I would use others reloads or allow to be used, my reloads.

Those are the people that scare me.....the cigarette guy.....I see this as a "little thing" and from that I tend to think....well if he thinks this way on this little thing, what on big things.

Reminds me of a story of the guy at a range like you describe, and a couple people are in a line shooting, guy 1 finishes and starts walking down the lane....others quit shooting real quick....whats the big deal you are shooting on your own lane, I am fine here.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Yeah, I get that.
Thankfully I haven't shot at a public range for a long time.
Last time I was at a public range (actually a state game land range; no RO, just a posted list of rules) there was a guy and his two young sons there already.

They had forgotten their eye and ear protection.
I didn't have enough eye pro with me but offered them ear protection as I always have more than enough disposable plugs for situations just like this.

The man declined and proceeded to "field strip" cigarette buts fluff up the filters and put those in his kids ears declaring himself immune to loud noises.

For the last 2 decades, I've been shooting at a friends private range.

He's been reloading nearly as long as me and I trust him and his process as much as mine SO, I shoot his loads out of his guns and he shoots my reloads out of my guns.

That's the ONLY way I would use others reloads or allow to be used, my reloads.

This is why in my post about public v. private ranges I mentioned that each category had different types within the category.

I only shoot at public ranges because that’s all I have access to. But, I would never shoot at THAT TYPE of public range unless I was the only member of the public shooting. “My” public ranges are in fact privately owned businesses open to the qualifying public at a price. We call those public around here. Some may call them private.

Nor would I shoot at a friend’s private range unless a range officer was also present or I was alone.

 

[Y-T71]

Those are the people that scare me.....the cigarette guy.....I see this as a "little thing" and from that I tend to think....well if he thinks this way on this little thing, what on big things.

Reminds me of a story of the guy at a range like you describe, and a couple people are in a line shooting, guy 1 finishes and starts walking down the lane....others quit shooting real quick....whats the big deal you are shooting on your own lane, I am fine here.

Like an old boss of mine used to say, "common sense isn't all that common"

Cigarette guy was free to do what he wanted but he wasn't doing his kids any favors by instilling common sense into them at an early age.

Too many people get the gun handling knowledge and/or "skills" from Hollywood or video games.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Yes crossing the street has risk, but risk you can control...do I step out or do I not. Here I and be just sitting in the next bay.

If one must cross the street (late for a meeting for example or home is over there) then all one can do is reduce the risk. Eventually you’ve gotta cross.

But just sitting or standing in a lane wondering what that next guy may do accidentally or intentionally is unsettling. My wife actually reminds me from time to time of what happened to Chris Kyle. You just play the odds in life.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

If one must cross the street (late for a meeting for example or home is over there) then all one can do is reduce the risk. Eventually you’ve gotta cross.

But just sitting or standing in a lane wondering what that next guy may do accidentally or intentionally is unsettling. My wife actually reminds me from time to time of what happened to Chris Kyle. You just play the odds in life.

Like Oddball said, "Have a little faith, baby."

(yes, I DO look for excuses to quote "Kelly's Heroes")

 

[Y-T71]

...You just play the odds in life....

...all one can do is reduce the risk...

These two statements pretty much sums it up entirely IMO.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Like Oddball said, "Have a little faith, baby."

(yes, I DO look for excuses to quote "Kelly's Heroes")

Testing my memory on that one so I’m guessing Telly Savalas? It’s “the baby” that gives it away if I’m correct.

and that’s just an odd movie

 

[Y-T71]

Donald Sutherland

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Testing my memory on that one so I’m guessing Telly Savalas? It’s “the baby” that gives it away if I’m correct.

Don Sutherland. Goofiest EVER "war" movie. And, yes, it IS based on an actual war-time bank heist. Two bars of the actual stolen gold showed up in a German bank several years ago.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Donald Sutherland

Ahh…he could play a really odd ball (no pun intended) I wonder if he was acting?

 

[CQB45ACP]

Don Sutherland. Goofiest EVER "war" movie. And, yes, it IS based on an actual war-time bank heist. Two bars of the actual stolen gold showed up in a German bank several years ago.

I didn’t know it was reality based.

Dirty Dozen isn’t far behind as far as goofy though. Wasn’t Savalas’ character a rapist/murderer? Imagine trying that today.

best war movies are Patton, Dawn Patrol, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Inglorious Basterds

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Ahh…he could play a really odd ball (no pun intended) I wonder if he was acting?

Funny thing: quite a few movie critics wondered the same thing.

Dragging this back on topic, "risk" is part of life. Wrapping yourself in bubble-wrap and living under the bed is risky. Nobody can snap their ringed fingers and make the world over in their image. Those who try typically end badly and history is filled with their antics. We don't need to go there to make the point (I hope) that "playing it safe" is sometimes more dangerous than taking risks for the simpler reason that it leaves one unprepared for the unexpected. I expect the moron next to me at the indoor range to do something stupid. I may not be ready for it when it happens, but I'm ready for something bad to happen and am just really glad when it doesn't. I went hunting on public land for the last time in 2008 because some crazy yayhoo was shooting an SKS in my direction, close enough for me to hit the dirt. There's crazy people in this world and some of them are stupid, too. What's anybody's plan to eliminate them? I'd love to hear it.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I didn’t know it was reality based.

Dirty Dozen isn’t far behind as far as goofy though. Wasn’t Savalas’ character a rapist/murderer? Imagine trying that today.

best war movies are Patton, Dawn Patrol, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Inglorious Basterds

If I recall, the screenplay was based on rumors floating around Eastern Europe following the war which were partially substantial and partially fantasy. It was an interesting enough tale for the writer to run with it. Long after the movie came out - like decades later - some of the rumors started firming up and classified documents of an investigation into a bank heist following the Normandy invasion by a group of German and American defectors/GI's surfaced. Then those two bars of gold showed up in a German bank and it looks like the rumors were not only true but the actual event was much more intricate. Hear-say is the worst form of evidence but that doesn't mean it's never accurate. Like reports of, "This here happened to a feller who knows my cousin's hairdresser's boyfriend, and he said it's all true...so it must be!"

 

[CQB45ACP]

Funny thing: quite a few movie critics wondered the same thing.

Dragging this back on topic, "risk" is part of life. Wrapping yourself in bubble-wrap and living under the bed is risky. Nobody can snap their ringed fingers and make the world over in their image. Those who try typically end badly and history is filled with their antics. We don't need to go there to make the point (I hope) that "playing it safe" is sometimes more dangerous than taking risks for the simpler reason that it leaves one unprepared for the unexpected. I expect the moron next to me at the indoor range to do something stupid. I may not be ready for it when it happens, but I'm ready for something bad to happen and am just really glad when it doesn't. I went hunting on public land for the last time in 2008 because some crazy yayhoo was shooting an SKS in my direction, close enough for me to hit the dirt. There's crazy people in this world and some of them are stupid, too. What's anybody's plan to eliminate them? I'd love to hear it.

I hear you and agree on risk. Like the coaches will tell you, you get hurt when you’re thinking about avoiding injury.

But I think I am sufficiently mitigating risk by shooting only at places with qualified range officers present and enforcing the rules. Maybe not, but it’s my level of comfort.

I do not hunt because there are careless goofs also hunting at same time. I just can’t do it.

In a ironic twist—A friend and former coworker (Ike is his name) was serving in Vietnam. One night he bolted upright and KNEW something bad just happened back home. As soon thereafter as word could get to him, Ike learned his brother had been killed while hunting here in the Shenandoah Valley. Someone just propped him up against a tree and left him there. I just can’t play those odds.