Because why not! A .22 single shot build

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Problem solved with 304 stainless. Now just sights, grip panels, and a bunch of hand finishing to make it look decent!

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Only gained .3 ounces, now 11.5. Fired it a bunch of times, all is well, other than a pretty heavy trigger pull on account of the wide, deep and hooked sear engagement I gave it due to the use of mild steel for fire control parts.
 
When looking at the gun the grips seemed huge. Then when you showed the gun in your hand it was evident the grips are not big, the rest of the gun is just that small. It looks good in your hand, well done...
 
the rest of the gun is just that small.

Yeah, other than the button heads sticking out now to secure the stainless breech block, it's just 1/2" thick. That barrel is only .384" diameter. True pencil!

The quality of this build pales in comparison to my others, but I wanted to basically do a scrap throw together, and a design that doesn't require machine tools to do, even though I used them. My typical builds are anywhere from ~140 hours to more than 250, with a fair investment in materials and special cutters (usually reamers, dovetails, etc). This one I have about 14 hours in with the breech block fix, and about $15, which is the cost of the 4-40 tap I snapped in the frame and the two 1/16 end mills I trashed getting it out.

We'll spend some leisure time cleaning it up and making it look nice, though. Fill those little welding pits on the barrel, smooth and probably bead blast the frame, make some nice grip panels, hand finish and blue the hammer, trigger and barrel release. I'll have more time in prettying it up than building it, most likely!
 
How that's very cool! A company could make a absolute killing selling that to the survival crowd if they could bring it to the market for <75$ imho.


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One thing you keep teaching me is that guns are simple machines. Put pieces together sensibly and you don't need many of them to accomplish some pretty basic tasks. Rolling block will be on my agenda sooner rather than later, likely in 32acp. My estimate is about 12 pieces plus screws.
 
Put pieces together sensibly and you don't need many of them to accomplish some pretty basic tasks.

Exactly! That's the American way! (well, Russian, too). The Krauts overcomplicate machines, of course, from automobiles to firearms and everything in between.

One of my goals with builds is to make components perform more than one function when possible, such as the front sight blade locking the pack rifle in the folded position, or the rear sight also being the breech lock on my O/U pistol. But I won't do it at the expense of complicated mechanisms.

Funny thing is the perception so many in our community have that AK=simple and robust while AR=complex and fickle. That has finally started to change, but in fact, Eugene Stoner had the same inclination to make one part perform more than one function, as the combination bolt/gas piston in his design. The AR does have more parts than the AK, but is not more complex and, in fact, the extra parts lend the design to being more serviceable, as well as being mass produced with much better tolerances. It just requires first world industry to do so!

Your rolling block should be a fun build, and a fun critter to shoot! You should consider chambering it for .32 H&R mag, though. The round doesn't actually operate at higher pressures, though there is a little more bolt thrust. But if you design your extractor carefully, you'll also be able to shoot .32 ACP, as well as .32 S&W. None of these small handgun rounds are going to demand a lot in terms of action strength, but prehardened 4140 is not only a good choice for such a build, but also machines very well, breaking chips much more cleanly than mild steels or annealed CRMO.

I think my next build will probably be a revolver, and probably all titanium except for small parts (yes, I'm thinking barrel, too). But I need to decide on cartridge first, and then settle on design. Being as there's only so many ways to make a revolver work, I'll probably go with lockwork very much like a S&W double action. But chambering, number of rounds, overall look still need much pondering before I start cutting metal! For now, the only four home builds I still have you've all born witness to right here:

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Though I tinkered and made functional guns in my earlier years, I did not at that time have the equipment, skills or metallurgical knowledge to produce quality weapons, and they all got scrapped, having been deemed crude and/or unsafe by yours truly.
 
On that rolling block, I'm thinking 32 acp so that I can buy a secondhand barrel and reuse it. I love the 32 wheel gun rounds and already load for all but 32-20 and 327. I figure a 32acp barrel will let me run my 32 auto brass at pressures higher than the 32sw loads I have been running them as. So low pressure it stays dirty in my 32swl revolvers. I still need to get a chamber insert to go 327 in a 308. 327 in 30-30 would be great if I could cycle loaded chamber adapters like regular 30-30 rounds.
 
How that's very cool! A company could make a absolute killing selling that to the survival crowd if they could bring it to the market for <75$ imho.

I agree! I would buy that pretty quickly.
You have a cool talent. Makes me want to get into it haha.
 
Not having the OPs skills or shop or talent this little .22 makes me wish someone were making the Sheridan Knock-a-bout for $75 today.

It certainly reminds me of one!

I often wondered, speaking of the survivalist crowd, if something sturdier than the Knock-a-bout and yet less expensive than the TC Conteneder might sell to the survival crowd if it had replacable barrels. Certainly a .32 S&W, .32S&W L, .32 H&R, .327, .32ACP single shot should be doable.

-kBob
 
Whenever I see these guns, and what goes into making them, I kind of feel like we're watching a modern day version of John Moses Browning at work here!
 
I often wondered, speaking of the survivalist crowd, if something sturdier than the Knock-a-bout and yet less expensive than the TC Conteneder might sell to the survival crowd if it had replacable barrels. Certainly a .32 S&W, .32S&W L, .32 H&R, .327, .32ACP single shot should be doable.

This is pretty close:

http://chiappafirearms.com/product/2677

There are also adapters for .223, 7.62x39 & .308

Whenever I see these guns, and what goes into making them, I kind of feel like we're watching a modern day version of John Moses Browning at work here!

That is flattering:) I don't fancy myself the design genius he was, though. Maybe I could have come up with the kind of ideas he did, maybe not, but since all of his, Pedersen's, Colt's, Remington's, Luger's, Mauser Brother's and so many more existed before I was a twinkle in my daddy's eye, there's just not much room left for innovation in this very technically mature field! Anything that anyone can come up with today is just a variation of something those men and others like them dreamed up scores ago. There are only so many practical ways under the sun to make a gun do what it does!
 
Exactly! That's the American way! (well, Russian, too). The Krauts overcomplicate machines, of course, from automobiles to firearms and everything in between.



One of my goals with builds is to make components perform more than one function when possible, such as the front sight blade locking the pack rifle in the folded position, or the rear sight also being the breech lock on my O/U pistol. But I won't do it at the expense of complicated mechanisms.



Funny thing is the perception so many in our community have that AK=simple and robust while AR=complex and fickle. That has finally started to change, but in fact, Eugene Stoner had the same inclination to make one part perform more than one function, as the combination bolt/gas piston in his design. The AR does have more parts than the AK, but is not more complex and, in fact, the extra parts lend the design to being more serviceable, as well as being mass produced with much better tolerances. It just requires first world industry to do so!



Your rolling block should be a fun build, and a fun critter to shoot! You should consider chambering it for .32 H&R mag, though. The round doesn't actually operate at higher pressures, though there is a little more bolt thrust. But if you design your extractor carefully, you'll also be able to shoot .32 ACP, as well as .32 S&W. None of these small handgun rounds are going to demand a lot in terms of action strength, but prehardened 4140 is not only a good choice for such a build, but also machines very well, breaking chips much more cleanly than mild steels or annealed CRMO.



I think my next build will probably be a revolver, and probably all titanium except for small parts (yes, I'm thinking barrel, too). But I need to decide on cartridge first, and then settle on design. Being as there's only so many ways to make a revolver work, I'll probably go with lockwork very much like a S&W double action. But chambering, number of rounds, overall look still need much pondering before I start cutting metal! For now, the only four home builds I still have you've all born witness to right here:



IMG_20160823_184054257_zpsq4x2bzbc.jpg



Though I tinkered and made functional guns in my earlier years, I did not at that time have the equipment, skills or metallurgical knowledge to produce quality weapons, and they all got scrapped, having been deemed crude and/or unsafe by yours truly.



I think a top break revolver in 45 acp that takes a more solid form of moon clips would be very cool and might really appeal to the CCW crowd. A top break with a solid moon clip "magazine" that auto ejects when broken open could possibly rival the reload time of the little semi autos aswell. If I had your skill that's what I would be making.


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M.IV S.

Thanks for that link. Nice to see those X-calibers are rifled.

Most of the reviews I found were near enough useless though. One had some shooting at 50 feet with the Chippy over under that comes with a set. Another was out doors at 75 yards and we were told how wonderful they were while looking at some large groups.

Neat concept. I have adapters for my .223 rifles that use .22LR and for my .308 that use .32 ACP and neither of those are real prize winners either, though either would likely be minute of swamp bunny at 30 yards if you don't mind body shots.

Keep meaning to see if .32 S&W will fit in the .32 ACP/.308 adaptor, but never seem to have ammo, gun, and adaptor together at the same time.....

-kBob
 


And a short one firing it. I did it in low light because the CCI Stingers make an impressive fireball, but the upload and apparent reformatting lost that cool flamage :banghead:

 
Thought a wood case would be a nice little accoutrement. Please keep in mind that machinist ≠ good at working with all materials! Wood is an alien thing to me. Final finishing with 320 or 400 grit? Huh? That's what we use to get the tool marks out in metal, working up to 1500 or 2000! And what's this nonsense with fingernails leaving marks :cuss:

Anyway....

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I'm going to replace the hideous phillips head screws on the decorative corners with nice brass tacks. Couldn't believe those were the fasteners that were wrapped up in the baggy that came in the package:rolleyes:

And yes, I used the mill to make the cutouts. I have a router, but pretty much view the thing as about 2 steps beyond caveman tools! Although I did manage to have an oops; trying to not smash the maple, I didn't clamp very tight, and the stock climbed out of the vise doing the top half relief for the ammo compartment. Hence the 3/4" brass medallion with my initial :eek:
 
MachVlShooter, did I miss in the text if or how you rifled the barrel? Sorry if I did, but if not, please explain. Your gun looks awesome!! :)
 
did I miss in the text if or how you rifled the barrel?

Yeah. It was a leftover piece of the barrel liner I used for my ultralight pack rifle. Was a 21-1/2" tube, I used 16-1/4 for the rifle, the other 5-1/4 for this critter.
 
I can only wish I had your design and machining ability. Keep up the
good work and let us know how you make out.

Zeke
 
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