Beginner Ar-15 Build

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It's been awhile since I last posted here, but the information I got last time was so helpful I had to come back for more. Awesome community guys, really. Anyway, I've been looking into my first Ar-15 for home defense and regular range shooting. I absolutely love the AR platform but I had been struggling to find the right one for me. Money's been tight as of late so a buddy recommended I build my own as it's supposed to be cheaper that way. Makes sense. I started looking into it and I just can't wrap my head around it. I can figure out putting them together, I'll find a youtube video or something (although tips for a beginner are always welcome). However, figuring out precisely what parts and tools I should/need to get has been a pain. I'd like to have it chambered in 300 blackout but I wouldn't be the slightest bit disappointed if 5.56 is the way to go at this point. I live in the SLC area of Utah, so if their are some fellow Utahns in the area that can recommend good stores to purchase these parts, I'd appreciate it. Additional tips and recommendations for optics, lights, etc. Are always welcome. Thanks everyone.
 
Honestly, the best advice right now is just cruise on over the PSA website. You can buy a complete upper and a complete lower and just attach the two parts with the two pins and you have a complete rifle. They're running a "Freedom Week" sale right now and I just happened make a purchase yesterday. 16" complete upper and a blem complete lower for $530 shipped.

What you may run into now is finding all the components for a complete build all in stock at the same time from the same place. You'll probably have to start sourcing parts from several different places and unless they offer free shipping, you'll be spending way more than necessary on shipping just to get all the necessary parts from different companies.

As for specialty tools needed to build a rifle, you'll need a vice block for the lower, vice block for the upper, set of roll pin punches, armorer's wrench, torque wrench, and a rubber mallet.
 
It's not cheaper, not in my opinion. Even when you really try to make it cheap. Especially once you factor in $150-$200 worth of tools. IMHO, you're better off buying a complete rifle with a warranty. Building is best for those who know exactly what they want, not necessarily for saving money.
 
There's money to be saved, but it's like $50 to $100 max on a entry level build, and part of that gets eaten back up if you need tools.

300 BLK rifles are a lot more uncommon to find off the shelf than 223, so what I would do is buy a PSA complete lower and the upper of your choice and just snap them together.

This lower
https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psa-ar-15-complete-lower-moe-lower-black.html

and this upper
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...er-with-bcg-ch-mbus-sight-set-5165448559.html

plus a magazine would get you rolling for $600 + FFL transfer fee.

I don't shoot 300 BLK... they are supposed to work with normal 5.56 magazines, but IDK if a dedicated 300 BLK mag works better.
 
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I'll second the advice above - you're not likely to save money, however some people aren't good at saving up money for a large purchase so buying parts here and there and sticking them aside (as opposed to sticking money aside here and there) can ease the hardship of a purchase. It can be a fun process though, and you'll come away understanding the platform a lot better.

If you DO decide to build, what I'd say you need is:

- A bench vise, if you don't already have one
- a punch set
- a hammer (a gunsmith hammer is better, but a regular old framing hammer will do if you're hitting punches and not the gun itself)
- a combo AR tool for the barrel wrench and stock castle nut wrench portions
- a torque wrench
- an upper receiver block
- a screw or bit driver that fits whatever screw is included with your pistol grip (I've seen phillips, slotted, torx, and hex bolt, so it's hard to see exactly which you'll need, but most guys have this stuff lying around already).

A lower receiver block helps too but isn't strictly required (I built my first 2 or 3 guns without one)
 
I give the same advice to all of the would-be buyers I speak with: if you’re wanting a base model, cheap carbine, buy one off of the shelf, or AT MOST buy a complete upper and complete lower and pin the two together.

Building doesn’t get any cheaper than a base model from PSA, Bear Creek, Ruger, S&W, etc etc - not even for the parts, let alone when you consider buying the $100 in tools you should really use to assemble it.

If you want something more customized or more specialized, then in general, you can save $100-200 under street prices on similar factory options, or get a slightly enhanced rifle for the same price.

It is, however, incredibly likely and exceptionally easy that you will spend MORE in building a rifle than you would have just by buying one. I’ve built literally hundreds of AR’s for folks over the last 20yrs, and have rebuilt around thrice as many as I have built - even with volume/distributor/wholesale discounts, owning all of the tools, and avoiding doubled purchases by breaking parts or buying incompatible parts, it’s typically razor thin to actually come out ahead building most models these days. $100-200, usually less than 10%. On a basic carbine, it’s almost impossible to actually beat the street prices on base models - typically involves the patience of waiting for sales, including free shipping, and usually buying some blemished parts to hit the mark...

AND OF COURSE...

IF YOU BUILD IT YOURSELF, YOU HAVE NO WARRANTY OR FACTORY SERVICE SUPPORT IF IT DOES NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY.
 
If we argue apples to apples I feel building is cheaper, particularly if you plan on multiples. Rather than accepting cookie cutter parts you can pick what you want with a build even if it’s a tad more upfront for a better rifle.

Minimum tools:

A plastic mallet for pins
A long handle hex wrench
A Magpul Bev Block
A vise
A torque wrench (one of your friends should have one to borrow, if not, you need better friends).
Assembly grease

Tip of the day: find a lower with a cast-in trigger guard and threaded bolt catch to save you the hassle of pounding pins or buying specialty tools.

Bonus tip: buy a nicer barrel that’s already dimpled for the gas block, even better if the block is included. If not, add a dimpling jig to tools if you don’t choose a clamp-on.

I start my builds with an “oops” kit then choose the selector, catch, fire control group ala cart. Pick an end plate rigged for a sling if you want, a carbine or A5 extension with a suitable buffer and spring. Get a nice handguard not made of lead and the barrel profile/length/material of your choosing. Buy a grip that doesn’t suck.

Doing all of this now will save you the hassle of replacing what you dislike later. Adding a $75 railed forend, a $25 grip, a $60 stock, and a $30 low-pro gas block to a basic rifle later is only a bandaid.

If you aren’t fussy about anything, buy a Smith or Ruger and be done with it.
 
I've built two, an AR rifle in 6.8, it ran over $1,100 with the best possible barrel, bolt, and carrier on the market at the time. The next was an AR pistol in 5.56,. I spent the absolute least I could and it ran under $600 cherry picking special deals and parts some wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole - but it works just fine.

Of the two I shoot the AR pistol more simply because I can feed it Tula steel case at 7.99 a box and they go bang every time. Surplus about the same. The 6.8 - and .300BO, and 6.5, and all the others - will never be that cheap. Commercial ammo runs higher, except white box, and because ot that I can shoot 5.56 twice or three times as much for the money than a specialty commercial cartridge that isn't available as battle packs sold out of old inventory by governments getting rid of those lot numbers because it's too old.

Having shot my share of .308 in the day a 24c a round the lesson stuck with me. The 6.8 is a dedicated deer rifle, I might use up a box or two a year. The AR is the trainer, I might use up half a dozen at a range session. There is the best reason to go 5.56 if doing your own build, the second is that most of the parts are all compatible with 5.56, and therefore cheaper. A speciality barrel and bolt can run up to $399 - like, .375 SOCOM - and there may not be any other reliable choice in a certain cartridge as only one or two usually finesse the best performance out of them. The rest are all commodity grade with feeding, chambering, and extraction issues.

Then you get into the other required parts, like bolts and magazines, as different cartridges aren't the same dimensions, may not be strong enough, may not have the magazine ribs spaced correctly, or the front of the mag cut away, or curved to match the taper of the cartridge. That also brings up the stock straight magwell of the AR15 and why some conversions just aren't reliable as tapered cartridges attempt to rattle up the chute to be loaded. 6.5 has that issue, and the final solution is to use a special lower and bone stock AK mags to make it work correctly.

As for wrenching your own, you don't need a long laundry list of tools - many of those recommended aren't even in the armorer's tool kit as that is built to service unit firearms from pistols to machine guns. It's not AR centric, and it's also set up to keep a twenty something unit armorer from twisting off parts, ruining threads, or attempting repairs that Army states should be sent to depot. Unit armorers rarely if ever replace a barrel, it goes up the chain. It's guys like us who do it making an AR or taking it apart to change it up.

Two cases during the assembly of the AR require something different, one, inserting roll pins, which are either flat springs wound into the shape of a small dowel, or the thick kind that have a long split down one side. Avoid the latter in parts kits, get the flat wound spring kind which insert 10X easier. Use a pair of vice grips with taped jaws and they press in easily. Us a hammer and roll pin punch, you will remember doing it wrong every time you see that dent on the side of the lower or upper. Second, torquing the barrel nut, which by the official -10 is not actually torquing it at all. You are tightening it to over 30 lbft and then going a tad further to clear the teeth to insert the gas tube thru the hole in the upper. The instructions specifically state not to exceed 85 lbft. Its not a torque TO specification, it's a DO NOT EXCEED specification. Much like saying torque lug nuts to 110 but do not exceed 250, and for the same reason - you will strip the threads. Over 30 and pass the gas, it's good.

For much of that a bench vise with rubber jaws or a mag insert holder will do, your choice, spending money on tools should be part of a much bigger dedication to general repair. And understanding what you are doing counts, I torqued my barrel nut with a pair of 18" channel lock pliers, done. Gun worked fine. Tore it down to change furniture, had the "armorer's tool" that isn't issued to anyone, it's commercial, and after the teeth slipped the barrel nut was still no worse for the wear. Those tiny studs don't grip that well when you are hanging off a torque wrench and get sideways.

As advised, buy a complete lower of choice, upper of choice, and you pin together and shoot. It's cheaper because you aren't buying all smaller parts at retail, and neither do they - plus an incomplete firearm doesn't pay the hunting tax surcharge of $80 a complete one does. Add in that if you did buy all the little stuff from a lot of different vendors, you then pay half of dozen or more shipping charges at $8 -12 a whack. A stripped lower also has to go thru an FFL who will charge $25-40 or more to book your transfer, check fees before you order. My 6.8 had over $140 in processing and shipping fees involved. And then I swapped furniture on it and added more to the overall cost.

There is a related issue with building your own AR - those parts left over if you have any from ongoing upgrades. Some buy a complete upper or lower with the idea they will swap a stock or put on a different handguard which drives costs up. Selling the parts, sorry, they are used once installed, and nobody will pay retail As those parts accumulate you then keep them in a box in the dark, and after a year or so, the fumes keep getting in your head, and they hatch an idea of another AR to build, using them.

I'm now acquiring the specialty parts for another build, since I have furniture, buffer tube, buffer, spring handguards etc all poking me with a long stick. That is known as Black Rifle Disease, the final product doesn't have to be all black just like variants get other names. In our case, tho, there is no vaccine. It's incurable, it only takes a few parts and a specialty tool sitting there murmuring in your sleep about the latest new cartridge, how you missed that deer two years ago, what if you had something bigger that shot a 200 grn .375 with 55 grains of powder behind it . . . .

And down the rabbit hole you go, again.
 
It's been awhile since I last posted here, but the information I got last time was so helpful I had to come back for more. Awesome community guys, really. Anyway, I've been looking into my first Ar-15 for home defense and regular range shooting. I absolutely love the AR platform but I had been struggling to find the right one for me. Money's been tight as of late so a buddy recommended I build my own as it's supposed to be cheaper that way. Makes sense. I started looking into it and I just can't wrap my head around it. I can figure out putting them together, I'll find a youtube video or something (although tips for a beginner are always welcome). However, figuring out precisely what parts and tools I should/need to get has been a pain. I'd like to have it chambered in 300 blackout but I wouldn't be the slightest bit disappointed if 5.56 is the way to go at this point. I live in the SLC area of Utah, so if their are some fellow Utahns in the area that can recommend good stores to purchase these parts, I'd appreciate it. Additional tips and recommendations for optics, lights, etc. Are always welcome. Thanks everyone.

To give you an idea of tools, take a look at this running thread from a 1st time AR builder.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-after-first-ar15-build.892161/#post-12000466

I don't have and never have owned an AR. Pistol gripped long guns aren't my thing but they do interest me for thier modularity so I do tend to read a fair amount of the threads... particularly the beginners threads.

Over time and reading many posts from some of the same people that have already given good advice, I've come to the conclusion that if/when I decided to own my 1st.....

I'd 1st choose to buy a Ruger or S&W for the reasons already mentioned. IMO, factory support if needed is worth something and those 2 are no brainers; solid rifles.

My 2nd choice would be to buy a complete upper and complete lower from PSA and pop them together with 2 pins.

I'd maybe customize from there (either of those choices) or possibly build one if I changed and really started to like it afterwards.

Good luck.
 
Especially when Aim Surplus now has complete Anderson AM15 M4s with a magazine for $449. Paid $575 with tax for mine plus $15 for a special price ammo :( . That price at Aim was in todays email 7-23-21 and yes my Anderson worked fine.
 
Yeah I’d probably just buy either a complete rifle, or separate upper and lower.

And I’d stick with the.556 unless you’re going to get a suppressor for the blackout. Maybe there’s a special application or reason you want the blackout that I missed.
 
There is money to be saved, but you'll really need to shop around to do it. Also, be careful when ordering online. Shipping can kill your savings. The big thing with building, is the fact that you can piece together a rifle (pistol if going that route) with the parts, and features you want, and not just whatever a particular builder decided to put together. A lot of us have leftover part going to waste, because we have factory guns we took parts off, to customize... Then we got smart, and decided to build. SO... for most builders, it's more of just getting a more personal weapon, than saving that last dollar. If that's all you want, just go to PSA and order up a kit. They are not top shelf stuff, but they do work very well.
 
It's been awhile since I last posted here, but the information I got last time was so helpful I had to come back for more. Awesome community guys, really. Anyway, I've been looking into my first Ar-15 for home defense and regular range shooting. I absolutely love the AR platform but I had been struggling to find the right one for me. Money's been tight as of late so a buddy recommended I build my own as it's supposed to be cheaper that way. Makes sense. I started looking into it and I just can't wrap my head around it. I can figure out putting them together, I'll find a youtube video or something (although tips for a beginner are always welcome). However, figuring out precisely what parts and tools I should/need to get has been a pain. I'd like to have it chambered in 300 blackout but I wouldn't be the slightest bit disappointed if 5.56 is the way to go at this point. I live in the SLC area of Utah, so if their are some fellow Utahns in the area that can recommend good stores to purchase these parts, I'd appreciate it. Additional tips and recommendations for optics, lights, etc. Are always welcome. Thanks everyone.

so you want a AR and money is tight uhh? I got you.

Here

https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psa-ar15-complete-classic-stealth-lower-black.html
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https://palmettostatearmory.com/ble...de-moe-upper-with-mbus-rear-bcg-ch-black.html
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$420 for a decent rifle, ready to shoot, use the extra money in mags and ammo, that’s why I chose 556, it’s a bit cheaper ammo and give you more room for training.

Gucci rifles are nice, but training is more important.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ble...de-moe-upper-with-mbus-rear-bcg-ch-black.html
 
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I don't think you'll save much money at this point doing a build. In years past there was definitely money to be saved, especially if you had a keen eye for deals. In some cases you could buy a stripped lower for $30 and LPK for another $30 and a complete upper w/BCG & CH for $219, it was possible to build a decent AR15 for under $350 if you were a deal hunter.

Probably one of the things keeping the build kits alive and well is being able to select the exact configuration or base model you want instead of buying off the rack. I loved the days of cheap kits, it's how I ended up with a couple few AR's. :D
 
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