Beginners M4 selection help please.

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Hi folks!
want to get an M4 (carbine) for my brother.
It should be as plain jane as possible so I dont spend an extremity.lol.
Im not too familiar with current 'mfg's, and was looking for some advice.

is it possible to find something in the 5-700$ range, that will function?

thank you.
ip.
 
DPMS Makes a good product.

DPMS Defense Procurement Manufacturing Service. These are found throughout the country in many Municipal Police Departments. Seem to be quite popular. Stock trigger leaves something to be desired. A lot of gun for a good price. I own several brands, including DPMS, and I'd pick up which ever one was closest to my foot in my time of need. There are additional things to know regarding the M4 / AR15. Some things matter and some are just a matter of preference.
 
The opening question is what do you want out of the rifle and what do you want it to be? If you are interested in a plinker for which reliability isn't a concern, there will be many options. If you are looking for a good quality weapon, the options narrow quickly.

I'd suggest going over to M4Carbine.net and reviewing some of the threads on this issue. There is a wealth of information there from people who have used a wide variety of weapons and/or build them.

Charles Daly has been getting some good reviews on its new M4 style carbine, and its reasonably priced.
 
I was trainned on the Poddle shooters

I am not a big fan of 5.56 or 223, You could get yourself a G3,of Franken Fal, I love my Fal, Had it worked over down in California, Short Barrel, original furniture, and Parked out, even the mags all 7, Or you could get a Ar, I just don't believe they are worth the time
 
Check out Centerfiresystems.com as well. I believe they sell Doublestar brand AR's. I have no experience with them though so I can't comment on quality/reliability, etc. Just the price tag.
 
Hi folks!
well, Ill be ready to make a purchase in the next month, Ive saved up$800 so far, and should have a total of about$1000 to spend in a few weeks..

Id like something reliable of course, flat top preferred, adjustable stock preferred.

Id love to hear some more opinions and or recomendations.

again, thank you for yer time!

ip.
 
I'd recommend a Stag Model 2. Excellent quality for the price. I have a Stag Model 3 which is almost identical except for the front sight.

There are some listed on gun broker listed under $800.

I'd be leery about getting a Century. IF you knew your stuff about ARs and IF you could inspect it throughly before hand, it MIGHT be a decent plinker. I've heard that the bolt carriers Century uses look like abortions.
 
I'll second the recommendation of Stag, those are great AR's... Can't go wrong with a DPMS either, maybe stick a Timney trigger on it if you don't like the stock trigger... Does CMMG still do the bargain bin rifles?? If you wanna save money, buy a stripped lower, you can get some for $70, name brand ones $90-$120 usually, a DPMS parts kit and an upper, slap em together and you just saved quite a bit of money and you can customize it however you want.
 
A local dealer - rural Minnesota - has a DPMS 16" carbine in stock, priced at $699. This is without the rear sight/carry handle, though. The handle is around $30 more.

DPMS is a solid manufacturer; I wouldn't be afraid to buy one. I looked at the carbine for my wife, but didn't get it.

jb
 
JonnyB, Im in rural Minnesota.. right about in the middle of the state...

I was looking at DPMS rifles tonight, and was impressed with the lo-pro classic. sounds about exactly what Im after.. for a mere $725....
there is a similar model, minus the bull barrel, but with a 6 position stock, for $699..

Im actually curious about what the difference in accuracy would be out to 300 yds between the 2 barrels?

aside from the barrel and the stock, theres only a $25 dollar difference....

from the experienced folks, Id love to hear the pros/cons...

once again, thank you all, verry much for yer time.

ip.
 
Innerpiece, see "THR Rifle Forum Reading Library _ Useful Links" stickied at the top of this forum. There you'll find such gems as :
34 Ways to Cut Corners on Manufacturing an AR15
http://www.ar15barrels.com/profiles.shtml
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=138&t=148891
At least read those three links. Use what you learn there to decide what you want in your AR. For a quick reference on which manufacturers use (or don't use) which parts / processes see:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642
There's more good stuff in the reading library.
 
innerpiece said:
Im actually curious about what the difference in accuracy would be out to 300 yds between the 2 barrels?
In theory, the bull barrel should be more accurate and won't be as susceptible to heat issues. However, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that a White Oak service rifle barrel would be more accurate than a DPMS bull barrel out of the box with any given ammo.

What will this rifle be for? Fighting/SHTF/HD rifle? Plinker? Practical matches? Bullseye? Varmints? Other?

I'm not a huge fan of bull barrels except for guns that are dedicated varmint guns or maybe a bench gun. They really hurt the balance of the rifle.

Also, will you need to buy an optic? Quality optics aren't cheap and many cheap optics shouldn't go on a serious use rifle.

Be cognizant about the rear sight! Some flat top rifles do not include them and you can expect to pay between $50-$150 for one.

My wife's AR has a detachable carry handle since she doesn't have plans to use an optic (although she's been eyeing my Aimpoint!). My AR has rear flip and front flip BUIS that cowitness with my Aimpoint that is my primary sight.

Do your research if you want a rear sight, a magnifier, and an Aimpoint or Eotech because that rail gets crowded quickly.

Some games have certain rules about the types of sights and optics you can use so plan accordingly.
 
Hi,

Go with either Colt or Bushmaster "LEO" marked M4 A3. I'm not up to date on prices but your looking at 800-1200 price range give or take a couple hundred.

Both are fine shooters, make sure to inspect the hell out of both rifles for fit and finish of parts and metal blending(smoothness) in every area.

Good luck.:)
 
I'd recommend a Stag Model 2. Excellent quality for the price.

If not interested in putting a kit rifle together, that is the route I would go.

You might also consider a "mid-length" rifle. They are typically only a 1/4"-1/2" longer overall than an M4 type, but most have a true 16" barrel (not a sub 16" with a flash suppressor welded on to make it legal) and a longer sight radius. They also have a longer, higher volume gas tube (all things being equal, that should equate to enhanced reliability - again, all other things being equal). Felt recoil is a bit softer too.

I put together a mid-length rifle kit from Del-Ton, using a stripped Doublestar lower and a Rock River Arms 2-stage trigger group. I've only had time to shoot it once, but I love it so far.

One drawback is that not as many manufacturers offer them (Rock River Arms, Bushmaster and Del-Ton offer them). And they may be a tad more barrel heavy than a CAR/M4 length variant.

Here are a some other threads that discuss the "middy":


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=199626&highlight=ar15+mid+length

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=174879&highlight=mid+length
 
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