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Being liberal does not make you an anti

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Just thought I'd share. I'm at the range the other day and noticed several Obama bumper stickers. I assumed it was some sort of raid at first, but then realized they were all shooters. The best was the car I pulled up next to that had a bumper sticker that read "I think, therefore I'm a liberal" on the back of a Prius as he raised his hatch to reveal a small armory. Lesson learned, don't judge a book by it's cover.
 
You're right nachosgrande. It's just not very common. In reality, within the originalist meaning of liberal, liberals should be the most pro-gun of any group as true liberals don't pick and choose which liberties to fight for. They are concerned about ALL civil liberties. That's why scottygun is calling them hypocrites I believe.
 
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it does not make you a hypocrite. No one party will encapsulate people's views. What if you're BOTH pro gun and pro choice? Then by necessity, if you vote for a major party, are you a hypocrite? That's ludicrous. Most libertarians are in this position.

I disagree with republicans on a lot of things, and voted for Obama because the prospect of Palin taking the helm terrified me. But I'm pro second amendment.

I consider myself classically liberal - i.e. I favor freedom from government intrusion in ALL areas, unless there is a clear and overriding public interest that all rational people would agree to. That means I'm against the war on drugs, pro second amendment, pro fourth amendment, etc. This doesn't make me an anarchist either - many laws are valid, like those forbidding private ownership of tanks or nukes (even if most people could be trusted with them, the probability of even .0001% misusing them outweighs the liberty interest).
This puts my beliefs at odds with most in Washington.
 
Being a liberal doesn't mean that you voted for Obama any more than voting for Obama makes you a liberal. Parties, candidates, and political leanings are not hard-linked notions...

This thread is dangerously close to being political.

Keeping it on the 'how to NOT alienate the segment of the gun owning community that identifies themselves as liberal' side of things may let it live.

Failure to do that, or something equally constructive and non-divisive, will surely kill it.
 
What cbrgator said. I'm a liberal. Or "left-libertarian" if that makes it easier to wrap your head around it. And I've been a proud gun owner for over 40 years now.

This isn't just a left-right issue. In fact, I think we hurt our RKBA by linking gun rights to one party or another, since we then risk said rights to the rise and fall of that party. Much better to get *both* major political parties to acknowledge and recognize our rights - which I have worked to do on the left for a long time now. It seems to me to be a smart strategy, and one which is slowly paying off.

Jim D.
 
yeah....well maybe the stickers are just a front. I have thought about putting one on my truck...just so people assume i don't have weapons in my truck. I bought a INSURED BY COLT sticker at a gun show...I really wanted to put it on my bumper...but yeah. Looks good on my back door though.
 
Just like being a republican doesn't make you pro-gun. Look at Giuliani...

As cbrgator said, Liberals SHOULD be the most pro-gun of all political parties. Here in the US, most "Liberals" are actually "social liberals" which I believe is on par with Communism. Few are "classic Liberals" which would be the Liberals that are Pro-Gun.

*ahem*

Lets stay on topic guys.

I saw plenty of "vote for kerry" stickers during the last election on bumpers of cars in gun show/store parking lots.
 
"yeah....well maybe the stickers are just a front"

True, but when they search your car for drugs, they're gonna find your guns.
 
But aren't all antis, politically liberal?
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No.

Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin were not liberals and they CRUSHED the RKBA in their respective countries.

GHWB probably did more damage to the our own RKBA than did, say, Carter.

The primary reason that today we call anti-RKBA folks 'Democrats' or 'liberals' is because the Democratic party (who have self-annointed and self-identified themselves as 'liberals') has evolved a party plank that contains specific stated gun control goals, and the Republican party's plank does not.

But folks that oppose the RKBA come in all political leanings and from all party affiliations.
 
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In fact, "politically liberal" doesn't seem to fit with the idea of stripping rights away from the citizenry.

The strictly defined term doesn't accurately reflect someone whose opposed to an individual right.
 
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Well, Im pro guns, pro abortion, I think illegals should pay out of their ass and become legal, I think senate and house needs limited terms, welfare should be limited terms. Programs should be re-thought and reorganized. I agree that if a company is getting bailout money the executives should have a cap on pay. Its just like investors if your money is put into a company you better have say in it.
I think universal health care is possible but hard, and I am not sure I want it because of potential and probably abuse.
At the same time, I think schools need to have 340 days in class instead of the normal 180 in the US. We wonder why other countries have smarter people than us, and it is because they spend almost twice as much time in class.
Drugs should be legalized and taxed to death and then some. The war on drugs, will never be won, just like alcohol and tobacco. Legalize it, bring jobs to the US, tax it, and make profits.
Idk what I am, but that is what I believe in.
 
kyo said:
Well, Im pro guns, pro abortion, I think illegals should pay out of their ass and become legal, I think senate and house needs limited terms, welfare should be limited terms. Programs should be re-thought and reorganized. I agree that if a company is getting bailout money the executives should have a cap on pay. Its just like investors if your money is put into a company you better have say in it.
I think universal health care is possible but hard, and I am not sure I want it because of potential and probably abuse.
At the same time, I think schools need to have 340 days in class instead of the normal 180 in the US. We wonder why other countries have smarter people than us, and it is because they spend almost twice as much time in class.
Drugs should be legalized and taxed to death and then some. The war on drugs, will never be won, just like alcohol and tobacco. Legalize it, bring jobs to the US, tax it, and make profits.
Idk what I am, but that is what I believe in.
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You do realize there's only 260 weekdays in a year, so you think kids should go to school 6.5 days a week and have no holidays or 7 days a week with 3 weeks vacation? Ever think maybe parents in the US may play some part and it's not the government's job to teach kids everything.

Back on topic:
I think a lot more Republican/Conservatives are anti than people realize. Especially when you consider the hunting guns-only crowd as anti, which I do.

This might be shocking, but some people vote based on issues other than guns. A politician's stance on gun control is far from the biggest concern.
 
I think a lot more Republican/Conservatives are anti than people realize.
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I think this is very true.

A politician's stance on gun control is far from the biggest concern.
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On this, I disagree. I believe that a politician's stance on the RKBA as the most telling view into how they feel about me, the individual that they profess to represent.

I have no use for anyone that does not support my right to the most basic of individual self determination, the right to defend me-n-mine from predation by any individual or group. No other issue is as basic and as important as that one.
 
Being liberal does not make you an anti (gun)
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True. I know some DemLibs that are gun owners. However, that isn't going to make me run over and kiss them. I dislike all the socialist ideas they support.
 
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A politician's stance on gun control is far from the biggest concern.
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On this, I disagree. I believe that a politician's stance on the RKBA as the most telling view into how they feel about me, the individual that they profess to represent.

I have no use for anyone that does not support my right to the most basic of individual self determination, the right to defend me-n-mine from predation by any individual or group. No other issue is as basic and as important as that one.
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I was going to say it a different way referring to the hopeless impotence of a citizenry that has been disarmed; once the guns are ripped away, freedom is no more; but your words are far more effective.

Anyone ever met a politically conservative American who was anti RKBA?

I have not.
 
The majority of me and my close friends are Conservative Christians.

Best friend's wife doesn't want guns in the house and my best friend does.

My soon to be wife's pop has a 2 shotguns and a rifle in the living room and she at the time when I talked to her about it... didn't want guns in the house with kids. I said, "Give me my ring back then because we are gonna have issues".

I have a few artsy fartsy liberal friends who love shooting guns with us though.

You guys profile to hard.
 
A politician's stance on gun control is far from the biggest concern.
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I disagree completely, and it's why I've become a single issue voter.

I've found that a persons stand on the Second Amendment is pretty much in line with their feelings on personal freedom, personal responsibility, government intervention in our lives, crime and it's punishment, etc.

It is a very accurate litmus test for the things I want from a politician.
 
"If this AIN'T a political thread, what IS????"

I didn't intend it to be political, just to tell a little story to help open some minds like it did for me.
 
If this AIN'T a political thread, what IS????
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I agree, it's on the edge. But I'm leaving it open because it's been more of a discussion about politicians than politics, and so far we've avoided the red-vs-blue bashing that caused the 'no politics' rule to be created in the first place.
 
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