Best .380 ammo for CCW?

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erikd65

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Ok, I know I have been asking a lot of questions, and everyone has been really good to me (so far) . Anyway, I want to choose a .380 defensive load for carry. I have been doing some reading on ballistics, but would also like to throw some personal opinions into the mix. This will be for both JHP and FMJ (FMJ may have to be carried in the winter for penetration considerations). Thanks in advance!!

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Rem 102 gr GS or CorBon 90gr. HP (no power ball) Those are my SD loads in all my 380s. As far as ball only use for practice and shoot what ever handy. Last sunday shot Wally word valu pack 100 rounds for $16 Worked great in my PPK.:D
 
I use Winchester 95gr SXT, myself. :D
It's the worthy successor to the EVIL Black Talon!!
I'm glad to see that you are warming up to that Walther!!! :cool:

Here is a pic of my latest.
A post war Manurhin PP in 7.65mm (.32acp)
These things are hard to hate!!! ;)



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I still say you were holding it to high and that you just need to build strength in your trigger finger!!
Heck, if almost 100 years of Deutsch "Volkspolitzi" can hack it, so can you!!!
 
I used to favor Corbons or Remington 88gr. JHP's

Then I saw the video "Deadly Weapons". The first part demonstrated handguns of various calibers being shot at a 3/4 inch pine board in front of a milk jug full of water.

In .380 the FMJ and JHP aren't too impressive. But, man oh man, when you see what a Glaser Safety Slug does........just devastating! The board breaks and the jug simply explodes!

Erik, go with Glaser.
 
Are the glasers reliable in a S&W PPK/S? I hear that glasers can cause problems with feeding etc. in autos (I think they were made for wheel guns?).

Yeah, I am warming up to the Walther a little more :) Ever since I put that hogue slip on grip on, it feels MUCH better in my hand, and I seem to get a nice tight(er) grip with it. I will probably take it out to the range tommorrow and see what kind of a difference it makes, but I am going to wear something on my hand... just in case :)

Plus, I may just end up buying another 9mm or .45 anyway... why not have two guns? Or three... four... whatever it takes :p

The only thing I am worried about with the .380 is that it may not be powerful enough.

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I just watched a video on the glaser... neato :) I will look for some at the upcoming gun show. They are expensive, but may be worth it.

Quick update... just found them on cheaper that dirt for... well, cheaper than dirt :p
 
Remington Golden Saber 102 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 90 gr JHP

I think I'd lean towards JHP for home defense, and start entertaining FMJ (better penetration) for carry: less probability of an OP hitting an innocent out in the wide open.
 
You gonna buy 200 Glasers to see if they work in your gun? A pre-frag round will always break up. Now maybe a .50BMG Glaser would be okay, but when you are dealing with a wuss load already wouldn't some penetration be nice?

Hot FMJ (Fiocchi) or Speer Gold Dot. Cor-bon seems to work okay out of big guns, but in something like a Seecamp or P3AT, forget about any expansion.

Re. "wuss load" I carry a .380 too, never by itself. I assume it is better than harse language, but to go much farther is to kid myself. ;)
 
The only thing I am worried about with the .380 is that it may not be powerful enough.

Eric,

With all pistol calibers, shot placement is the key to stopping the BG. A .45 round that hits a non vital area ain't gunna do you much good!! Deutschen politzi carried the PP in 7.65mm (.32acp) for years!! It was only when they were confronted by very bad men, carrying full auto machine guns, that they finally decided to "step up" to the 9mm Parabellum!! They went with the Walther P5, Sig 225 (P6) and the HK P7. The era of the PP had finally ended!!

If you do your part, the round will do it's!!

The myth of the so called "one shot stop" is just that...a myth!!
My CCW instructor wisely told us to "fire until you run out of ammo or the threat stops!!" That's why I also carry extra ammo!! ;)

The PP you saw pictured, sits beside me, as I type this, ready to take out the first gangpunk that dares to venture through my front door!! My small Arizona town seems to be suddenly infested with them. We keep our front door open with the screen door locked...and pistols at the ready!!! :eek:

The Glock 26 is nestled under my pillow!!! :evil: :what:
 
I understand that, but when you run into stories about .380 slugs lodged in a mans skull on the OUTSIDE where you can see it, that causes concern.
I guess I am worried about penetration more than anything.

By the way, I have had the PPK at the range only once, and I did very well at the 7 to 15 yard range. Pictures have been included for reference :) Notice the flyers from the first DA shot.
 
Notice the flyers from the first DA shot.


Eric my boy, that's awfull good shooting!!
Don't sweat the flyers!! If you read the original Walther manual... I have one for my P99... it says not to worry about the first DA shot. It's expected to be errant!! :evil:

My PP is coming with me to the range today.
I'll let you know how it goes!! :D
 
After checking behind me on the 'shelf':

WW 85 gr. silvertips. These are my current ready service in .380.

I have some Rem 102 GS, too.

I think they were out of Gold Dots in .380, as I see some Gold Dot in other calibers all over the place back there.
 
Trapshooter finally got it rght. WW Silvertips are IMO, the ideal round to carry in a Walther PPK. Although it is ancient technology, it feeds reliably and always goes BANG, (at least it always has in the past) and is as accurate as any other premium ammo. One more big Plus for the STs, They are the only rounds effective against Werewolves.
 
Silvertips and Cor-Bon. Oh yea, some Hornady's too but I don't like em, they jam my Browning BDA. Heck, I can't hit anything with it anyway but it does hold something like 80 rounds and sure is purdy! :D


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PPK and my 2%..

I bought an Interarms PPK back in the mid-80s and since then it has logged lots of miles. The most annoying thing about shooting the PPK was the slide-tracks it left on the web of my shooting hand. That has since been corrected and I understand that frames on current PPKs are designed to prevent that. Knowing the importance of shot placement, I had larger, easier to see in dim light, sights installed.

I fired several different brands of ammunition before I pretty much settled on
Federal Hydra-Shock. Not that any of the others weren't as good, it just seemed that whenever I went to buy some ammunition, there was a ready stock of Hydra-Shocks available in whatever caliber I wanted.

I never used the slide mounted 'de-cocker' as a 'safety', although using it as a 'safety' would definitely be better if you wanted the little PPK to pass a 'drop test'. With that in mind, a good carry system is important.

The PPK has been absolutely reliable with whatever type of ammunition that I have tried. That includes Cor-Bons and Glassers. Haven't fired a bunch of Glassers though. At about $1.10 a round thery are kinda pricey. But I fired enough of them to be satisfied that they would reliabily function in the PPK.

My biggest problem with the PPK was the absence of a slide lock. Although mine never failed to feed, fire, eject, and feed again, if you ever do have a double feed jam in a handgun without a slide lock, you need an empty magazine to get the slide to lock back.

The PPK doesn't get out much anymore. Its been replaced by a plastic frame Kahr or revolver. But, at that time, it was the best game in town and suited my perceived needs very well.

I don't know the reason for it, maybe its the fixed barrel, but you might be surprised at the accuracy that your little 380 is capable of.

Have fun and stay safe.

salty.
 
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