Best Gun Cleaner ever!!!

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Whale Blubber, no wait, my mother's chili.... no, that's not it. Snail slime?

WHY are people so obsessed with cleaning their guns or lubricating their guns with something other than gun cleaner and gun lubricant?

WD-40, Anti Freeze, Brake Fluid.... The list goes on and on. People seem to want to use everything BUT gun cleaner. Hoppes? Slide glide, Tetra grease, whatever, there are bunch of products out there, why are people always trying to use questionable stuff?
 
The best gun cleaner... is some one else cleaning it.
 
I made my own gun cleaner (wife helped).

[STRIKE]It's[/STRIKE]He's gotta age a few more years to be effective though.:D
 
If it ain't wood or plastic nothing beats brake parts cleaner no matter how expensive or how pretty the can.

What makes a gun any more special than any other mechanical part? I'll wager that more money gets spent every year on automotive cleaner and lubricant development than the ENTIRE firearms industry is worth. Economically the firearms industry is pretty small potatoes , even more so firearms care products. That's why a can of brake parts cleaner costs so much less than a can of gun scrubber
 
Because most "gun cleaner" is some other commercial solvent in a pretty package.

Really? Anybody know of a list somewhere that lists equivalents? Like Hoppes #9 is really Lysol brand Toilet Bowl cleanser (not really - but you get the idea)?
 
no no, I meant a list of gun solvents, and chemical equivalent household or industrial cleaners.
 
I suspect much of the confusion and/or controversy dates back to corrosive primers. There was a long period of time that went by in which both types of primers were common.

Once the issue with corrosive primers was solved people worried about powder, lead and copper fouling more than corrosion. But, if you happened to need to clean for corrosive primers the newer products would not do the job.

Then there are the two big variables in modern ammo. Some people shoot lead and some shoot jacketed bullets. Those are different kinds of fouling and are best cleaned differently.

I shoot all three and have different cleaning needs for each. Sometimes they have to be combined to be most effective.

I do a couple other things as well. One is I end my barrel cleaning with two patches of Flitz followed by a dry patch. When I think the barrel is as clean as I can get it the Flitz goes through and the first one comes out black. It's amazing how much dirt is left in a "clean" barrel.

I buy my cleaning fluids in bulk. A 16-ounce bottle of Hoppe's is about $10 and last about six months. The same is true of Break Free (it lasts about a year). Slide Glide is good for about six months and costs about $10. I don't know offhand what the size of Flitz I guy is, but its about the same price and lasts a long time. Lastly is Windex (for corrosive primers). I have no idea how long it lasts because the wife always steals it before I finish off a bottle. I always keep a bottle of Sweets 7.62 on hand, but use it only when circumstances demand it. It will last me more than a year. Patches I buy in bulk, 5,000 at a time, for about $12. For rags I buy 18-packs of dishtowels at Big Lots for $2.50 once or twice a year.

I shoot 45 acp every week to the tune of 1,000 rounds a month in a variety of guns. I also shoot a number of other guns. Forty bucks worth of cleaning supplies lasts me six months easily. Compared to the other costs of shooting it is really a trivial expense.
 
(1) What HSO said, and (2) It's not that demanding an application.

You know, my parents cleaned their hands for years with this stuff called "soap." It wasn't called "hand cleaner." It wasn't even "anti-bacterial," and it wasn't specifically packaged for cleaning hands... And, you know what? Their hands got clean.

Same thing.
 
"25% trade secret"

"Trade secret" = "Lysol brand Toilet Cleaner." :neener:

I'm mostly a Breakfree CLP guy, with a little Hoppes #9 when the spirit moves me.

Breakfree PowderBlaster is pretty nice. It seems to basically be a slightly friendlier version of brake cleaner, so outside use is mandatory and there's a list of plastics and wood finishes you have to keep it away from.
 
I use gun specific products not so much because of lubricating ability or cleaning ability.

But for corrosion resistance. I've done my own little tests and motor oil, tranny fluid, etc. None came close to even the worst gun specific oil with some sort of corrosion protection.

For what it's worth CLP and Gunslick ultra lube did best.
 
Straight from the MSDS sheet for Hoppes No9

35% Kerosene
35% Ethyl Alcohol
25% trade secret
10% organic ester
10% aqueous ammonia

It's gotta be Hoppes No 9

Thats 115% cleaner!
 
When I run out out my current cleaners, I will mix up a batch of Ed's Red cleaner and use that. I will still buy some copper remover, but it sounds like Ed's Red cleaner works well and the price is right.

I mixed up a 1 gallon batch of Ed's Red a couple years ago, and it's more than enough to last me the rest of my life, and probably my kids' and grandkids' lives as well. If I remember correctly, it cost me under $10, including the gallon gas can to store it in.
 
WHY are people so obsessed with cleaning their guns or lubricating their guns with something other than gun cleaner and gun lubricant?

WD-40,
Well I would guess some people use WD-40 because for years (I do not know about now) WD-40 cans had a list of uses printed thereon and one of them was to clean and lubricate firearms, or so I recall.
 
I like too use products specifically designed to perform the function at hand~!

Blued weapons, I have found that Blue Wonder works miracles; while nickel
and stainless guns need more polishing, from such products as Simichrome
or Flitz.

I lube with Break-Free CLP, Eezox, or Mobil 1 20W-50; and have not had
a problem in 40 years~! :scrutiny: ;) :cool: :D
 
Over the years, I've found alternatives that work better than the specific gun cleaners and are more economic
 
Ed's Red

http://home.comcast.net/~dsmjd/tux/dsmjd/tech/eds_red.htm

"Ed's Red" - - Revisited

By C.E., "Ed" Harris

Since I mixed my first "Ed's Red" (ER) bore cleaner five years ago, hundreds of users have told me that they find it as effective as commercial products. This cleaner has an action similar to military rifle bore cleaner, such as Mil-C-372B. Itaner, such as Mil-C-372B. It is highly effective for removing plastic fouling from shotgun bores, caked carbon inn semi-automatic rifles or pistols, or leading in revolvers. "ER" is not a "decoppering" solution for fast removal of heavy jacket fouling, but because is more effective in removal of caked carbon and primer residues than most other cleaners, so metal fouling is reduced when "ER" is used.

I researched the subject rather thoroughly and determined there was no technical reason why an effective firearm bore cleaner couldn't be mixed using common hardware store ingredients. The resulting cleaner is safe, effective, inexpensive, provides excellent corrosion protection and adequate residual lubrication. Routine oiling after cleaning is unnecessary except for storage exceeding 1 year, or in harsh environments, such as salt air exposure.

The formula is adapted from Hatcher's "Frankford Arsenal Cleaner No.18," but substitutes equivalent modern materials. Hatcher's recipe called for equal parts of acetone, turpentine, Pratts Astral Oil and sperm oil, and (optionally) 200 grams of anhydrous lanolin per liter into the cleaner.

Some discussion of the ingredients in ER is helpful to understand the properties of the cleaner and how it works. Pratts Astral Oil was nothing more than acidg more than acid free, deodorized kerosene. Today you would ask for "K1" kerosene of the type sold for use in indoor space heaters.

An inexpensive, effective substitute for sperm oil is Dexron III automatic transmission fluid. Prior to 1950 most ATF's were sperm oil based. During WWII sperm oil was mostly unavailable, so highly refined, dewaxed hydrofinished petroleum oils were developed, which had excellent thermal stability. When antioxidants were added to prevent gumming these worked well in precision instruments.

With the high demand for automatic transmission autos after WWII, sperm oil was no longer practical to produce ATFs in the needed quantities needed, so the wartime expedients were mass produced. ATFs have been continually improved over the years. The additives contained in Dexron include detergents or other surfactants which are highly suitable for inclusion in an all-purpose cleaner, lubricant and preservative.

Hatcher's Frankford Arsenal No. 18 used gum spirits of turpentine, but turpentine is both expensive and also highly flammable, so I chose not to use it. Much safer and more inexpensive are "aliphatic mineral spirits," which are an open-chain organic solvent, rather than the closed-chain, benzene ring structure, commontructure, common to "aromatics," such as naptha or "lighter fluid." Sometimes called "safety solvent," aliphatic mineral spirits are used for thinning oil based paint, as automotive parts cleaner and is commonly sold under the names "odorless mineral spirits," "Stoddard Solvent" or "Varsol".

Acetone is included to provide an aggressive, fast-acting solvent for caked smokeless powder residues. Because acetone readily evaporates and the fumes are harmful in high concentrations, it is recommended that it be left out if the cleaner will be used indoors, in soak tanks or in enclosed spaces lacking forced air ventilation. Containers should be kept tightly closed when not in use. ER is still effective without acetone, but not as "fast-acting."

"Ed's Red" does not chemically dissolve copper fouling in rifle bores, but it does a better job of removing carbon and primer residue than most other cleaners. Many users have told me, that frequent and exclusive use of "ER" reduces copper deposits, because it removes the old impacted powder fouling left behind by other cleaners. This reduces the abrasion and adhesion of jacket metal to the bore, leaving a cleaner surface condition which reduces subsequent fouling. Experience indicatesrience indicates that "ER" will actually remove metal fouling in bores if it is left to "soak," for a few days so the surfactants will do the job, when followed by a repeat cleaning. You simply have to be patient.

Addition of lanolin to ER is optional, because the cleaner works perfectly well and gives adequate corrosion protection and lubrication without it. Inclusion of lanolin makes the cleaner easier on the hands, increases its lubricity and film strength and improves corrosion protection if firearms, tools or equipment will be routinely exposed to salt air, water spray, or corrosive urban atmospheres.

I recommend the lanolin included if you intend to use the cleaner as a protectant for long term storage or for a "flush" after water cleaning of black powder firearms or those fired with military chlorate primers. This is because lanolin has a great affinity for water and readily emulsifies so that the bore can be wiped of residual moisture, leaving a protective film. If you inspect your guns and wipe them down twice yearly, you can leave out the lanolin and save about $10 per gallon.

At current retail prices you can buy all the ingredients to mix ER, without the lanolin for about $12 per gallon. I urge you to mix some yourself. I ame yourself. I am confident it will work as well for you as it does for me and hundreds of users who got the "recipe" on the Fidonet Firearms Echo.

CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner

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1 part Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
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1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1
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1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits
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CAS #64741-49-9, or substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or equivalent.
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1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.
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(Optional 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, or OK to substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)

MIXING INSTRUCTIONS:

Mix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal, chemical-resistant, heavy gage PET or PVC plastic container. NFPA approved plastic gasoline storage containers are OK. Do NOT use HDPE, which is permeable, because the acetone will slowly evaporate. Acetone in ER will attack HDPE over time, causing the container to collapse, making a heck of a mess!

Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the otherainer to measure the other components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed. If you incorporate the lanolin into the mixture, melt this carefully in a double boiler, taking precautions against fire. Pour the melted lanolin it into a larger container, rinsing the lanolin container with the bore cleaner mix, and stirring until it is all dissolved. I recommend diverting up to 4 ozs. per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix to use as "ER-compatible" gun oil. This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the remaining mix. Label and safety warnings follow:

FIREARM BORE CLEANER

CAUTION: FLAMMABLE MIXTURE -- HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED -- KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN

Contents: petroleum distillates, surfactants, organometallic antioxidants and acetone.

1. Flammable mixture, keep away from heat, sparks or flame.

2. FIRST AID, If swallowed DO NOT induce vomiting, call physician immediately. In case of eye contact immediately flush thoroughly with water and call a physician. For skin contact wash thoroughly.

3. Use with adequate ventilation. Avoid breathing vapors or spray mist. It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with itsonsistent with its labeling. Reports have associated repeated and prolonged occupational overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage. If using in closed armory vaults lacking forced air ventilation wear respiratory protection meeting NIOSH TC23C or equivalent. Keep container tightly closed when not in use.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR USE:

1. Open the firearm action and ensure the bore is clear. Cleaning is most effective when done while the barrel is still warm from firing. Saturate a cotton patch with bore cleaner, wrap or impale on jag and push it through the bore from breech to muzzle. The patch should be a snug fit. Let the first patch fall off and do not pull it back into the bore.

2. Wet a second patch, and similarly start it into the bore from the breech, this time scrubbing from the throat area forward in 4-5" strokes and gradually advancing until the patch emerges out the muzzle. Waiting approximately 1 minute to let the bore cleaner soak will improve its action.

3. For pitted, heavily carbon-fouled service rifles, leaded revolvers or neglected bores a bronze brush wet with bore cleaner may be used to remove stubborn deposits. This is unnecessary for smooth, target-grade barrels in routine use.
routine use.

4. Use a final wet patch pushed straight through the bore to flush out loosened residue dissolved by Ed's Red. Let the patch fall off the jag without pulling it back into the bore. If you are finished firing, leaving the bore wet will protect it from rust for 1 year under average atmospheric conditions.

5. If lanolin is incorporated into the mixture, it will protect the firearm from rust for up to two years, even in a humid environment. (For longer storage use Lee Liquid Alox or Cosmolene). "ER" will readily remove hardened Alox or Cosmolene.

6. Wipe spilled Ed's Red from exterior surfaces before storing the gun. While Ed's Red is harmless to blue and nickel finishes, the acetone it contains is harmful to most wood finishes.

7. Before firing again, push two dry patches through the bore and dry the chamber, using a patch wrapped around a suitably sized brush or jag. First shot point of impact usually will not be disturbed by Ed's Red if the bore is cleaned as described.

8. I have determined to my satisfaction that when Ed's Red is used exclusively and thoroughly, that hot water cleaning is unnecessary after use of Pyrodex or military chlorate primers. However, if bores are not wiped between shots and shots and areand shots and are heavily caked from black powder fouling, hot water cleaning is recommended first to break up heavy fouling deposits. Water cleaning should be followed by a flush with Ed's Red to prevent after-rusting which could result from residual moisture. It is ALWAYS good practice to clean TWICE, TWO DAYS APART whenever using chlorate primed ammunition, just to make sure you get all the corrosive residue out.

This "Recipe" has been placed in the public domain, and may be freely distributed provided that it is done so in its entirely with all current revisions, instructions and safety warnings included herein, and that proper attribution is given to the author.
 
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