best option to mount a RDS on a 1911

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So I've got a colt government model 70 that I adore, its the main 45 that I shoot and since I got it a few years back its seen a lot of play.

I now want to try shooting it with a red dot, but I like this one how it is so I'm starting the hunt for an RDS 1911. Does anyone make an "MOS" 1911? What mount should I use if not? (I've seen rear sight mounts, picatinny mounts, and milled slides, but not a modular plate system I don't think unfortunately). If you have an RDS 1911 Please tell me all about it.

I'm hoping to spend less than $2,000 total including the vortex optic I want to mount.
 
Here is my red dot sight mounted to a 1911. It is a Weigand mount.
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Something to keep in mind is that the "full size" RMR sized red dots will be a good bit wider than the slide. Depending on needs/wants you may want to consider the "mini" size RMSc sizes also. You give up viewing area but they will fit the slide width better. Kind of depends on what you plan to use it for and how you want to holster it
 
Does anyone make an "MOS" 1911? What mount should I use if not? (I've seen rear sight mounts, picatinny mounts, and milled slides, but not a modular plate system I don't think unfortunately).

I'm hoping to spend less than $2,000 total including the vortex optic I want to mount.
Yes, several make 1911's with optics. Under $2,000 will be a smaller group.

Ed Brown https://www.edbrown.com/tacticalseries/

Kimber has some options, here's one https://www.kimberamerica.com/khx-custom-oi-rmr3-5
 
Kimber makes guns with vortex venom red dots fitted to the slide. I have a lightweight aluminum frame 9mm. It's a nice gun. I paid around $800 for mine. If they are around they are probably going for a bit more. This is like my gun.
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Here is another 1911 scope mount that I used to have. It replaces the grip panel on one side of the frame.

They probably are not made anymore but you might find one on the used market.

The main advantage is they do not require any modification to the frame.

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I don't know, but don't think I could shoot the difference.
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I guess you do not like co-witness. I understand that there is new holosum type of sight that does not need it. But yours is burris.
ACSS Vulcan reticle provides a large circle guiding the eyes towards the 10 MOA center chevron, eliminating one of the biggest challenges for shooters new to slide mounted red dots.
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Best option, IMO, is to pick what you want for a base pistol and have the slide milled for the optic you want. It’s cleaner, lowest profile possible, and not a work around. While I own a Vortex Venom, I might suggest the Fastfire in case it ever needs replacement, as Burris is a more popular, long standing unit.
 
I would contact Primary Machine https://primarymachine.com/ and check on the status of their new program. A short while ago they were saying they planned to offer replacement slides already cut for an optic of your choice. That way you use your lower and swap the upper depending on which sight system you wanted to use that day.

They used to cut your slide if you sent it to them but they have discontinued that service, which is too bad because their work is impeccable. I picked up this slide on a gun forum classified and had them cut it for me. Having the choice of either sighting system, iron or optic makes the gun that much more diverse.

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Here is another 1911 scope mount that I used to have. It replaces the grip panel on one side of the frame.

They probably are not made anymore but you might find one on the used market.

The main advantage is they do not require any modification to the frame.

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Cfullgraf,

Thanks again for the mount! I haven’t got to do any shooting with it since the price of .45ACP shot through the roof, but almost certainly I will get a chance to give it a try on both of my 1911s by the end of the year.

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"Neither the slide or barrel are rigidly attached to the frame."

Correct, but it's a 2-way street, Doesn't matter if you use a slide mount or a frame mount. The bbl isn't attached to either 1.

"Point is, one systems disrupts the sight picture far greater than the other."

The sight picture might be disrupted more but the shooter will never be able to tell the difference. For most it's easier to pick up on the frame mounted red dots. Call it muscle memory or whatever you want. Shoot countless 1000's of rounds using a standard front/rear sights. It's pretty much seamless to use a mini dot sight mounted where the rear sight used to be.

When using frame mounts you have get used to the difference in the balance of the firearm along with a different sight alignment to get on target.

I own both slide mount and frame mount mounts for the 1911's. I much prefer the slide mounts over the frame mounts. They both are equally accurate when used correctly. But canting is more of an issue with the frame mounts simply because the dot/scope is high in relationship to the bore then the slide mounts.

I've used mini dots on pistols for over a decade, mainly 22lr's (S&W 41 & marvel conversion kit #1 for the 1911).Same goes for the tasco pro-point red dots on s&w's 629, 586, 617. Accuracy has always been acceptable enough to allow me to not only compete in the shooting sports I was using them in. They allowed me to be competitive at a high level.

Accuracy means different things to different people. Several weeks ago I did some testing with the 1911/45acp pictured in post #8. I've sold off a bunch of molds for the 45acp's and I'm down to 3 bullets that I cast for the 45acp's.
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A special order cramer mold from the 1950's. It cast a bullet similar to the h&g #130 but it's a hollow based bullet. It's hollow based because it was designed to be used in the surplus 1917 pistols that were chamber in 45acp and known for their oversized cylinders & bores.
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Mihec mold, their version of the h&g #68 (actually #69/isn't bevel based) that happens to be hollow pointed. The hp is for accuracy and it will out preform the solid nosed version of the same bullet (mold has hp and solid nosed pins). But it takes the 50yd line to bring out the difference which isn't much.
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Another mihec mold, this bullet is their version of the flying ashtray.

I have a bunch of clays powder laying around, always stocked up on clay and bullseye powders. A little goes a long way and if you can't find an accurate load with either powder, somethings wrong. Looking at the reloading data I settled on 4.0gr and 4.3gr of clays and those 3 bullets pictured above. I was looking for a general purpose range play/blammo ammo that would push those 3 bullets pictured above in the 800fps+ range. Simply wanted a load for paper/bowling pins/steel/beverage cans/etc that would hit with a little authority but would allow for extended periods of range time without getting fatigued. Made up some test loads and went to the range and setup a pistol rest @ the 50ft line and did 5-shot groups/test with the different load/bullet combo's. This is what I ended up with.
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The 4.0gr loads of clays were worthless. The 4.3gr loads on the other hand were what I was looking for. The mihec #68 and the cramer held the 5-shot groups in the .7xx" and the mihec 200gr hp 1". I rattled off 5 shots with the mihec 200gr hp (top right target) 1 handed bullseye hold in 25/30 seconds testing recoil/recovery times. Didn't do very well, 2" with a load that held 1" from a rest.
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Anyway either mount will work, either mount will be accurate. It comes down to what the shooter is comfortable with and their ability to use that equipment.
 
Looks like I'm going to pretty much have to do the mill option unless I get a factory option for the same. The grip mod looks okay but I like my grips just how they are, so I don't think I like that option.

I was hoping for a picatinny rail version of the bottom frame tapped style as a no-drill option, but it looks like milling is the best choice.
 
Chambers Custom RDS Plate IMO is easily the best on the market. I would take a look at his and then give one of his guys who will install it a call. I have a few on my pistols, 1000% love them!
 
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