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[DJW]

thanks so much for this thread. hits the nail right on the head.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Amen.

I guess Beto O'Rourke didn't read or can't remember the preamble to our Constitution (Which BTW cannot be changed):

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"Provide for the common defense" phrase means that the protection of the United States, its citizens, and property, is the responsibility of the federal government and boy oh boy, is the federal government armed to the teeth so they can defend this nation.

And in the same manner, the Second Amendment and the Supreme Court ruling on District of Columbia v Heller, "We the people" must be armed to defend and protect individual freedom and liberty. And as justice Scalia stated and reaffirmed by justice Gorsuch, we the people need "modern" firearms to properly defend ourselves like AR15s that Beto O'Rourke is trying to ban/confiscate.

He and the antis are un-American and anti-Constitution.

I thought Noir's quoting the Declaration of Independence was the best thing, our FOUNDING DOCUMENT mentions rising up against a tyrannical government.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

Noir 2020.

 

[BSA1]

Unfortunately I don’t see that Robert Francis “Beto” is creating much harm to the Democrats. The Liberals and anti 2A folks are united in banning guns. They are willing to accept all of the restrictions they can get put into law.

As THR members comments show those that support gun ownership are deeply divided and are pushing gun owners away. Three hot button issues recently discussed are open carry, belonging to the NRA and universal background checks. Since I don’t cover my gun with a thin piece of fabric I am causing great harm with the public supporting carrying of firearms and the image of gun owners. I am criticized for continuing to support the NRA and don’t believe in any form of UBC.

So why should I support you opposing anti-2A politicians when I know you are opposed to my rights and will take them away as soon as you get the chance?

 

[old lady new shooter]

Wow, do you really feel so attacked here? That's sad. I would like to think folks can disagree without attacking one another.

I personally prefer concealed carry for two reasons: 1) I like preserving my disguise as a stupid old lady. No BG would ever perceive me as a threat. I feel this is an advantage. And 2) nobody will try to take the gun they don't know I have.

I made a 5-year NRA membership a few years ago which is still in effect, and regardless of my feelings about how WLP appears to be behaving I will likely renew when the time comes.

UBC, well, I don't think convicted felons or people whose mental illness propels them toward violence should have guns, but background checks don't stop them if they're really determined -- the Odessa shooter for example was turned down when he attempted to purchase a gun from a legitimate dealer, so he went to the black market. At the same time, I'm sure anyone here who sold a gun in a private party transaction to someone who later committed a mass shooting with it would feel worse than terrible... Probably the legitimate dealers feel similarly... but even if not, in either case running a background check protects the seller financially from lawsuits by the families of victims attributing the deaths of their loved ones to the fact that the seller sold the shooter the weapon.

 

[LiveLife]

FWIW, some Wall Street Democrat donors warn the party they won't back Warren and may back Trump in 2020.

I bet, some of them are gun owners.

 

[FlSwampRat]

I personally prefer concealed carry for two reasons: 1) I like preserving my disguise as a stupid old lady. No BG would ever perceive me as a threat. I feel this is an advantage. And 2) nobody will try to take the gun they don't know I have.

I agree.

 

[Deanimator]

So that means I should stop baiting liberals I meet a parties? When one of their women asks me how anyone could stand to touch anything so evil and tainted, I probably shouldn't say things like, "Just today I fired a military assault rifle, a trapdoor Springfield. It's reputed to be capable of twenty rounds per minute in the right hands."

This is an example of pre-modern thinking. It's of a kind with primitive animist religion that posits that inanimate objects like rocks and trees have agency.

I used to point this out frequently in usenet. The purveyors of racially invidious gun controls had no meaningful response.

 

[Deanimator]

I think that we should thank Mr. Francis.
He not only drove all of the fence-sitters off of the fence, he burned the fence.
Now there's only pro-gun or anti-gun... .

He sat on the fence post, a la Vlad the Impaler.

I hope he and they enjoy the ride.

 

[Sistema1927]

Beto? Hasn't he used up his 15 minutes of fame (infamy)?

 

[Walkalong]

I bet, some of them are gun owners.

Money talks, and there are a lot of rich Democrats too, not just republicans and libertarians.

 

[CapnMac]

Bobby Frank is utterly convinced of his status as part of the Oppressor Class.
Luckily for us, he's inept enough not to realize he needs the votes of the very plebs and proles he would rule over to be placed in that leadership position. Telling them they have to give up their rights for a shot at the big rock candy mountain and all that rainbow stew Unc' Sugar gonna dole out in the breadlines to come just does not sell well. Not even to the committed base.

 

[gulogulo1970]

I'm not shocked O'Rourke believes this but I am a bit shocked he said it out loud.

This is along the same lines as why hate speech should not be banned, it will make the unhinged much easier to spot.

 

[mokin]

This is an example of pre-modern thinking. It's of a kind with primitive animist religion that posits that inanimate objects like rocks and trees have agency.

I used to point this out frequently in usenet. The purveyors of racially invidious gun controls had no meaningful response.

I had a relatively liberal and educated guest out shooting once. She was fine with the Ruger MkII, the Browning Hi Power, and the .308 bolt action-with a scope none the less. When I asked about the M-4'gery though, she acted like it was pure evil and she would possessed by all the demons of legend.

 

[JeffG]

she acted like it was pure evil and she would possessed by all the demons of legend.

As an LEO firearms instructor I got the same reaction from officers while transitioning away from shotguns.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Money talks, and there are a lot of rich Democrats too, not just republicans and libertarians.

Exactly it is more about Money. She is a danger to it.

 

[hdwhit]

Each time he opens his mouth trying to generate some sort of attention to get himself noticed and out of the basement in the polls, Beto just makes himself more of an irrelevancy in both Texas and National politics.

 

[AlexanderA]

The other candidates are noticing that Beto's gun confiscation ploy has not resulted in any advancement for him in the polls. What this tells them is that the Democratic base is not as worked up against guns as was thought. (This proposition will definitely be put to the test Nov. 5, when Virginia votes for its legislature.The Democrats are running purely on gun control.)

If the Democrats fail to win both houses of the Virginia legislature, and Beto continues to do poorly in the polls, we will see all the remaining Democratic presidential candidates start to back away from their militant antigun rhetoric. This was going to happen anyway for the general election. (The Democrats' path to victory runs through a handful of Rust Belt and Sun Belt states, all of which have large numbers of gun owners.) But now we'll see it in the primaries as well.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I never said a semi auto was not effective. What exactingly is an "assault rifle"?? My refiles have only "assaulted cardboard. Jerks like Beto think AR stands for assault rifle, When is a AK an AK type?? Is a semi auto rifle and 1K rounds of ammo an "arsenal"??
OH OK then I guess you have a MSP (modern Sporting rifle) I don't care what the call them Weapons of War, Military. AK "type" "They" think they are Machine guns. What is a high capacity mag? Who defined that?? "They" want to get rid of all guns especially "semi auto" guns.

So what term do you suggest?? Flintlocks, Blunderbuss??

The reason he calls them "weapons of war" is that he's actually terrified that the citizens will fight back and does not want a level playing field if that happens. Did you hear what he said about how much the government spends on defense blablabla? This is right up there with that other creep saying citizens shouldn't resist confiscation because the government has nukes. Then he says these weapons don't belong on our streets. Guess what, more people are killed by feet and fists than by all types of rifles combined, maybe we should cut off everyone's hands and feet.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I don't like that term either. It concedes that "sporting" is a legitimate limitation.

Originally, "assault rifle" (sturmgewehr) was a WW2 term for a selective-fire weapon firing an intermediate round. It was the U.S. gun industry itself, for marketing purposes, that appropriated this term to apply to various military-look semiautomatic rifles. The antigunners shrewdly jumped on this as a way to demonize these guns. Therefore we have ourselves partially to blame.

There's no use fighting the "assault weapon" terminology today. Everybody knows more or less what it means.

But WE should only ever use that term in quotes like you just did.

 

[old lady new shooter]

So that means I should stop baiting liberals I meet a parties? When one of their women asks me how anyone could stand to touch anything so evil and tainted, I probably shouldn't say things like, "Just today I fired a military assault rifle, a trapdoor Springfield. It's reputed to be capable of twenty rounds per minute in the right hands."

They look at me in pity, and in righteous indignation that as a private citizen I can lawfully hold so much firepower, and thinking I might have had a chance at decency had the evil inherent in the weapon of war not permanently damaged me. To the hardcore liberal the evil in the rifle, any rifle, is just as palpable and transferable as the light coat of oil most of us would use to protect our weapons.

Does this sound like I'm suggesting I'm down to earth and practical and see an instrument for just what it is and nothing more, and not as an embodiment of an idea, whereas the liberal can't?

Not at all. I believe the liberal deserves the same protection as my rifles. If I wouldn't waste the good oil I use on my rifles on them, but I still haven't met one I wouldn't like to give a good coating of WD-40.

Baiting liberals at parties might make you feel good for a moment but you are hurting our cause when you do it.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Beto? Hasn't he used up his 15 minutes of fame (infamy)?

I wish.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Baiting liberals at parties might make you feel good for a moment but you are hurting our cause when you do it.

Nobody invites me to their parties around here...

 

[Spats McGee]

The other candidates are noticing that Beto's gun confiscation ploy has not resulted in any advancement for him in the polls. What this tells them is that the Democratic base is not as worked up against guns as was thought. (This proposition will definitely be put to the test Nov. 5, when Virginia votes for its legislature.The Democrats are running purely on gun control.)

If the Democrats fail to win both houses of the Virginia legislature, and Beto continues to do poorly in the polls, we will see all the remaining Democratic presidential candidates start to back away from their militant antigun rhetoric. This was going to happen anyway for the general election. (The Democrats' path to victory runs through a handful of Rust Belt and Sun Belt states, all of which have large numbers of gun owners.) But now we'll see it in the primaries as well.

And sadly, I think the MSM will let them. Personally, I'd prefer to hold their feet to the fire and never let them forget that they publicly stated they wanted gun control, UBCs, mandatory buybacks, etc.

 

[old lady new shooter]

And sadly, I think the MSM will let them. Personally, I'd prefer to hold their feet to the fire and never let them forget that they publicly stated they wanted gun control, UBCs, mandatory buybacks, etc.

Haha, remind them in public and watch them squirm to explain.