BHP mag disconnect removal help

[BHPshooter]

Decided to bite the bullet with the new FN and remove the mag disconnect. The trigger pin came out without any issues (whew!) and now I'm having problems with the smaller pin in the trigger that holds the evil part itself.

Anyone have any tips?

I'm laying the trigger on a block of wood with a hole drilled in it for the pin to fall through, which is sitting on the concrete floor. I have tried my smallest punch and a small finishing nail to drive the pin, and I am tapping it with a Lyman gunsmithing hammer.

Is it a case of persistence? I don't want to bugger up the finish...

Wes

P.S. I'm driving the smaller pin out from the same direction as I did the larger trigger pin... is that correct?

 

[albanian]

First, removing the mag safety is a must on these BHPs. They should come with them gone but they don't, that is one of the biggest flaws to the BHP. JMB did make some mistakes it seems.

There is a website that has step by step instructions for removing the mag safety and it has pics as well. I am not a gunsmith and I really had never taken a gun apart before I did the mag safety removal but it went fairly smooth. It is not a walk in the park the first time but I got through it with almost no tools. You should really have the tools that are called for and the job will go much smoother.

I will hunt around and get a link.

 

[BHPshooter]

Thanks.

 

[mete]

JMB did not design the mag safety !!! ...I haven't removed that safety for a long time but sometimes pins are really in tight. Removing a pin in my 1885 required a large hammer and heavy blows ! Check Stephen A.Camp's website that should have the info.

 

[nickthecanuck]

I had trouble getting mine out too.

Eventually I figured out I wasn't hitting it hard enough; it came right out with a wallop from a bigger hammer.

I have heard the factory has been making the pins harder to remove in recent years in order to discourage people from removing the mag "safety."

 

[BHPshooter]

Well, no dice. I just couldn't get that teeny pin in the trigger out.

I'll be looking for a gunsmith to press it out, I guess.

Any additional tips are always appreciated, though.
Wes

 

[bratch]

When I removed mine I fought it for 2 days. I tried heating it and all sorts of other ideas until I was finally fed up and went and bought a drill bit the size of the pin.

Using the drill I was done in less than a minute. Not everyones cup of tea but it worked for me.

 

[Zach S]

I'll be looking for a gunsmith to press it out, I guess.

Some wont do it, be prepared to shop around.

If I were frustrated with it, I'd probably take bratch's approach.

 

[Hawk]

My BHP is unburdened by mag disconnect.

I am curious though: Is it only my perception or has anyone else noticed that circumventing the BHP mag safety is generally looked upon benignly by internet denizens while, in contrast, throwing the Kimber type II safety parts in the trash elicits hyperventilation and grave advice that one is permanently throwing away any chance one would have in civil court should an otherwise lawful shoot occur?

Just seems the BHP "modification" enjoys a higher comfort level than pitching Series 80 / Type II parts.

 

[PCRCCW]

Well thats an easy one.......the mag safety doesnt have anything to do with the firing pin block. Its a trigger job in itself
The series two parts being removed are a bigger danger if the gun is dropped from a high place. Therefore is worse IMO than the mag safety.
Shoot well.

 

[steveno]

I hope I don't ever buy any of the guns you guys have been pounding on. if you insist on removing the disconnect then let a good gunsmith do it. that is why they make the big bucks. I have had a Belgium made high power for over 20 years and it has worked just fine with it.

 

[Sunray]

Geez, it's been a while, but as I recall you bash out the wee pin from the left side. No need to take the trigger out of the pistol either. Use a nail and give it a sharp rap then pull the pin out with fine needle nosed pliers from the right. then remove the plunger and its spring out the back of the trigger. Mind you, mine is an Inglis and the wee pin came out with no trouble at all. I kind of suspect FN and the other commercial manufacturers have made the wee pin slightly larger to make a tighter fit. The Armourer's Creedo is, "If it doesn't work the first time, get a bigger hammer."
John Moses didn't have the mag safety in the original design. However, FN refused to build them without one. It's a European quirk.

 

[steveno]

I definitely will NOT buy a gun that has had the bigger hammer used on it. I can tell the difference

 

[teflonlop]

lol, steveno, I guarantee the first thing a smith will try is hammering the pin out. It won't hurt anything, cept maybe the pin you are getting rid of =P

 

[Zach S]

I hope I don't ever buy any of the guns you guys have been pounding on. if you insist on removing the disconnect then let a good gunsmith do it. that is why they make the big bucks.

What's the difference in one of us using a punch and a BFH to get the pin out and a gunsmith doing it?

 

[BHPshooter]

What's the difference in one of us using a punch and a BFH to get the pin out and a gunsmith doing it?

The difference: a lot of money.

Wes

 

[Rockstar]

The difference is that some of us are probably not smart enough to know how to use a hammer and nails.

 

[Kestrel]

The difference is that some of us are probably not smart enough to know how to use a hammer and nails.

And then, some of us are. It's not rocket science.

 

[Dave R]

I couyld be wrong, but I think Sunray told you the answer. The pin was designed to be removed from one direction. If you're trying to remove it from the "wrong" direction, you're really just tightening it.

I read it on the Internet somewhere, so it must be true...

 

[BHPshooter]

I couyld be wrong, but I think Sunray told you the answer. The pin was designed to be removed from one direction. If you're trying to remove it from the "wrong" direction, you're really just tightening it.

Okay, that could be correct.

Geez, it's been a while, but as I recall you bash out the wee pin from the left side.

So, left side meaning the Port side? As in, drive it out from the Port side to the Starboard side?

I was driving it out from the same direction as the main trigger pin, so from the Starboard side to the Port side... Now I'm all confused, because both sides of the pin are "dimpled."

Wes

 

[MrAcheson]

I got a CDNN FN a while back. I don't believe the trigger pin is tapered at all. My problem was that the pin was just press fit into there very tightly and I couldn't budge the darn thing. I ended up taking it to a smith for a trigger job and had him remove the safety at the same time he was smoothing out the rest of the action.

 

[BHPshooter]

Success!

I took the FN to see Eric Larsen (of HBE Leatherworks) yesterday, and he helped me with my stubborn pin... he got it out like he'd been doing it all week.

Thanks, Eric!

The trigger feels very nice. It doesn't matter which mag is in the gun now -- it's nice ALL of the time. Magazines drop free now, too.

I'll shoot it this next weekend and see how it has improved.
Wes