bible verses about weapons

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Just a few notes on this subject :

Notice what Jesus did not say in the "turn the other cheek" saying. He did not say if someone stabs you in one side turn to him the other and let him stab you there. As others mentioned earlier, the scenario here is clearly not a life-threatening situation, but more along the lines of the personal insult as mentioned.

When life-threatening situations are involved, Jesus repeatedly advises Christians to take action to save their lives, usually the action mentioned being to flee, but the reference in Luke is clearly a message that if you're going to be somewhere where a prudent person would carry a weapon, then you need to do whatever it takes to get a weapon, even if you have to sell your coat.

Christians are elsewhere commanded to be "... as wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves...". Snakes, generally speaking, exist by fleeing from danger and reserving their bite for life-threatening situations, that is their bit of "wisdom". If you go tromping loudly thru the brush, they usually get out of your way (flee). When cornered, they clearly have the abilility to render a lethal "bite". If you don't have a "bite" then you don't have the "bite" option when cornered. (Bite in this case being equated with firearms). Notice that Jesus clearly chose the serpent for his wisdom, and not the dove. Both flee from danger, but only the serpent has the lethal "bite" option.

Also note that twice Roman commanders are listed as being righteous/having faith. Note that Cornelius the first Gentile Christian was not told he had to resign his job (not sure he could have even if he wanted).

The Commandment : "Thou shalt not kill" (King James) is better translated "murder" (New King James) instead of "kill". Murder is an illegal killing .

Joab, David's commander (& cousin), is put to death by Solomon, not for "killing" hundreds of enemy soldiers, but because "he shed the blood of war in a time of peace" in "murdering" Abner and another man.

Also note that in describing the cities of refuge, the Israelites were ordered by God to put murderers to death.

In short, the instructions of the Bible advocate taking action to save lives.
(will furnish scripture references tomorrow)
 
Thanks for all the replies. I should know better than to use logic on an anti gunner, my sister always has been, and always will be one, but I will keep trying..:banghead:

Her rebuttal to these scriptures was that this was symbolic. As in "The word of God will be your sword and your shield, gird yourself in righteousness for my name sake."

I did my best, and I will take comfort in the fact that some of the other family listened. I did not convert anyone, but maybe I left some of them thinking. :scrutiny:
 
Joel 3: 10 “Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning shears into lances. As for the weak one, let him say: ‘I am a powerful man.’ â€

Dan
 
Turn the other cheek

I'm not sure about this... When you look at the whole passage, it does still seem pretty much an incitement to pacifism...


Lk. 6.27-36
38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Ex. 21.24 · Lev. 24.20 · Deut. 19.21
39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, Lev. 19.18 and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 
Scriptures references for my former post :
References to flee : Mt. 10:23, Mk. 13:14 & 18, Lk. 21:21
"...wise as serpents and has harmless as doves..." Mt. 10 :16

Roman commanders : Acts 10 : 1 & 2 Cornelius a devout man
Luke 7 : 2 - 10 centurion of great faith

Joab : 1 Kings 2:5&6
Cities of Refuge : No. 35:10-34 these verses make a delineation between manslaughter and murder. Note v31,17,19,21,33, & 34 clearly state that murderers are to be put to death.

iapetus
It's difficult for people to read scripture and get the same meaning out of it.
Agree that the emphasis from Christ is to be a person of peace and to go out of your way to avoid strife. The Christian has the duty to retreat if possible to avoid bloodshed/strife. Similar in some ways to the law regarding shooting in self-defense. Many of them describe some sort of duty to retreat if possible prior to use of a firearm.

Scriptures like Rom. 12 :18 "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men..." carry a 2-fold message to me. I need to get along peaceably with my neighbors, but there may be times when that is impossible.

Rom. 13:9 about "love your neighbor as yourself" and the many references to God and love are interpreted differently by people. I don't think love always equates to pacifism. Obviously, the Quakers read the same Bible I do and disagree. If God could be summed up in one word it would be "love". If God could be summed up in 3 words they would be "justice, mercy, & faith" (ref. Mt. 23:23 and the "weightier" matters of the law). Justice, mercy, & faith, to me, describe God's love to man, and man's duty to God and fellow man. Pacifism in life-threatening situations does not.

When reading verses like the Luke 6 verses about turning the other cheek, ask yourself "What does the verse Not say?" While it talks about turning the other cheek to a slap, it does not say stand there passively and be killed or allow others to be killed.

To me, there are plenty of refences to the Christian to take action in life-threatening situation. Most of them indicate avoidance or flight. Applying the "wisdom of the serpent" : avoid danger/trouble if possible, but retain the option to bite when cornered.

Hope some of this may be helpful. If not I reckon we just interpret things differently.

(to moderator : please delete this post if it doesn't fit in with guidelines y'al are using for the forum. Thanks)
 
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