Bicycle Guns for the Third Millenium

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I posted this on another board but they are suffering band width problems.


While it may not happen in the environs of the wise, the rich and the mighty, there are quite a number of people who, for what ever reason, feel compelled to run at or otherwise,chase Bicycle riders. I don't know why this happens-why somebody on foot and apparently unarmed would take off after a bicycle like a junk yard dog but, it happens.

Happened to me again the other day. Not that the neighborhood is "bad" but you know things have changed when you round the corner and there are two buzzards eating a squrrel in the middle of the street. That never used to happen.

Possibly, bicycle riders who don't carry guns could clarify the matter. In my own case though, I never have found out what might happen should the chaser actually catch the bicyclist. All I know is that when the chaser finds out the chasee is armed, they generally leave off.

With that established, I suspect that it no more stupid to discuss bicycle guns than it is to discuss - oh,I don't know, maybe...- always guns, anywhere guns, packin' pistols and cetera. My own criteria for bicycle guns or, for that matter, any old gun at all includes : Being able to wear and it in all kinds of weather, It being accurate enough to be fun to shoot, it being pretty enough to incite my esthetic appreciation so that I can enjoy just sitting there looking at it when I'm not shooting it or pointing it at somebody and it being powerful enough that I don't even have to think about it.
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This is nice and often carried bicycle revolver. It is one of the 1994 Stocking Dealer Mountian guns. The grips are the same ones that Smith put on their classic DX series a few years ago. The art work was commissioned by Smith Customer service during a time when the Engraving shop was out of operation. Real Smith engravers though. John K. Pease for the scroll and
Wayne D'Angelo for the Sideplate.
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I keep it sighted for the Corbon 165 grain load geared toward personal defense. It is a low to moderate recoiling load with pressures varying from 25-29,000 psi from one lot to the next. Comfortable to shoot, quick recovery and follow up and it is easy on the revolver.

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The 1200 fps .44 special loading of this bullet is probably just as good a choice if not better. It is difficult to tell bullets from each load apart after they have gone through eight inches of raw brisket.

This is also a very satisfactory riding revolver- at home in the same belt rigs as the Mountain Gun and will hide under an untucked sports shirt.
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Dillon/Kramer Belt Scabbard.
To tell the truth, I've decided that I don't really know flip about what a bullet is going to do on target and like to treat this 29-2 like a .44 special. I keep it sighted in for light factory level loads and carry something that hits to about the same sight setting. The Federal 200 grain Lead hollowpoints do 850 fps from the 4" barrel and these Speer Gold Dots should be every bit as nice. It seems that any .44 load is going to go deep and make a fairly big hole and the devil take the details.
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This Kramer Thomas Perfectionist comes with a nice matching horsehide belt and ammo pouch and is a very comfortable IWB rig. The revolver comes up fast and scares the heck out of burglars and bicycle chasers.
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So to paraphrase the Rabbi, " Why are these bicycle guns unlike any other bicycle guns?" No particular reason other than I just like them. They instill a certain level of indifference as to whether or not somebody decides to chase your bicycle and they keep you from finding out why some gibbering idiot is chasing your bicycle in the first place.

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Why would anybody want to chase this nice middle-age bicyclist? How would they like it if a middle-aged bicyclist chased them? Huh? Huh?
 
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MEC,

Man, I'm sure glad to see your post. I thought I was maybe the only gun nut/bike nut around. I love to ride my mountain bike and I love to ride the country roads around my "farm" on my new road bike. And I NEVER go out two-wheelin' unarmed.

I always carry either my 3" S&W Mod. 65 or my Glock 29 (10mm). What's more, since I'm in a carry state where it's legal to open carry, I usually carry so that my Orange vest blows back and the gun can be seen when approaching cars get near from behind.

I'm in a very rural area, and there are those who think anybody riding a bike has to be really weird and definitely a sissy. Well, they are in for a surprise if they give me any trouble. I'm 6'8" 240lbs, and I'm very well armed. In addition, I've been shooting competition (IHMSA, USPSA, IDPA, CAS) for almost 30 years, so I know how to put bullets on target.

This is a subject, though, that ought to come up more often, I think. I guess it's because there are not that many serious shooters who are serious bikers.

One of the biggest reasons for being armed is that rare case that could develop involving dogs. In the country dogs are a real problem. The trusty water bottle usually works pretty well; however, they tend to run in packs at times, and I'd hate to be unarmed while canine teeth are sinking into my leg. I love dogs, but I'd definitely shoot one off of me if necessary.

Guess I need an NRA sticker for my road bike.
 
I'm a fairly competitive road cyclist, and have weighed the risks, and generally go unarmed. Its pretty hard to hide a piece when you're wearing lycra
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I've thought about the fanny pack thing, I just haven't bothered. I've not had too many encounters that leave me feeling I need a piece cycling.
If one is so inclined, I'd recommend an airlight or other lightweight alloy revolver. Sweat isn't very kind to metal, afterall.
 
I am getting into the sport and I will not ride unarmed. I cary whenever I am awake so I dont figure to change that just to ride a bike. Besides I have been bitten while running. Its easyer to tote a pistol on a bike.

Mike
 
"I'm in a very rural area, and there are those who think anybody riding a bike has to be really weird and definitely a sissy."

The motor city madman was here autographing books at a local Gitar store. A dude came up through the line and said " Haven't seen your show on the Outdoor Live Channel lately."

"Well we're not on the Outdoor Life Channel. The Outdoor Live Channel is for Fags and Bicycle Riders. We're on the Outdoor Channel. We kill things on there."

I suspect you guy in rural areas-particularly rural Utah have a whole different set of problems. One cautionionary note though, Mountain Lions seem to have developed a real taste for spandex -having ate so many joggers in California here recently.
 
The ONLY shoulder holster that I own and wear is when I am on a bike or motorcycle. I don't have pictures of it right now (at work) but it's my normal carry gun, Kimber 1911 in the shoulder holster.

I was thinking of getting a shorty shotty and get one of those things like you see in the movies, a holster thing that you can swivel. If they are chasing you all you have to do is get right in front of them and swivel the shotty so it points at them and then fire :evil: .

Wayne
 
I also ride secluded rural areas, often in the early hours of the morning, beginning a ride before sun rise. I have no problem conealing while wearing lycra. A bicycle is one place where a fanny pack looks like nothing more than a fanny pack. A S&W Model 60 rides in mine.
 
If you're a bicyclist here in MD, your options are to thrash the offender with your helmet, bike pump, bike or carry a decent folding knife (and know how to use it), because CCW or open carry here is not an option. For the most part, you're fair game for whacked out motorists (or armed felons if you ride in the city like I do). It's a sad state of affairs, because the bicyclist is mostly viewed as some sort of weirdo even if using a bike for transportation; wearing lycra just exacerbates the problem. Motorists get the benefit of the doubt, not cyclists. The general attitude reminds me of you're guilty until proven innocent if you're on a bike.

Most of us have learned to live with the situation. And more than one of us has fantasized about our frame-mounted pumps being SGs in disguise.

The attitude towards cyclists is very gradually improving. I've been overjoyed to see bike lanes appear as roads are repaired. What MD needs more than anything now is serious driver education and enforcement that gives bike riders an equal shake. Enacting "Shall Issue" CCW is something we gun owners keep pushing for; maybe the next generation will see it become a reality in MD. Until then, keep the rubber side down and pedal like the devil is on your tail.
 
I suppose we do carry the stigma of wierdness. A lot of my nice, normal contemporaries are shopping around at the scooter store or have been bugled home to glory while the exercise I get from riding the bicycle has kept me able to move around a little and do the things I like.

What is wierder- the sight of somebody pedaling along on two wheels or a two hundred fifty pound middle aged woman sitting on the thundermug eating huge bowls of vanilla ice cream while reading a harlequin romance novel?
 
I haven't figured out a place on me or my bike in which to carry a piece for mtn lion protection while mtn bking here in SoCal. I normally operate alone and do find myself miles removed from the nearest road to get to the good singletracks. My main issue is I don't like the idea of having a loaded gun strapped to me when I crash (yes that's when). In the Camelbak it's pretty secure but I'd be half eaten already by the time I get to it. On the bike is no good because it will probably get separated from me in the event of an attack. I carry a folder in my cargo pocket instead (lycra is for roadies and other non riders)

Happy Trails

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That's new to me - I've never heard of people chasing bicycle riders. I would also carry a large can of OC. If someone tries to chase you while on the bike, you could stop and SMOTHER them with OC and then kick the snot out of them, after the cloud of OC had drifted away from them. Then, while they're laying there trying to regain their breathing, spray-paint their head and face with flourescent orange spray paint... A sign to other would-be chasers...

The police should be notified to watch those areas for this kind of thing happening. Set a trap for the next time you're there.

What behavior. Good grief.

Steve
 
(lycra is for roadies and other non riders)
hahaha.....bite me
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There's something to be said for rolling along in a strung out pack at 30mph, waiting for the first sign of slowing so I can make a move off the pack.....
I've been known to leave the pavement.
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I like the fanny pack idea for mountainbiking. I was thinking about getting one anyways for snowshoeing.
I probably still won't carry on the road, as roadies are a common sight here in Utah during the warmer months, I'm just not that worried about it. Maybe I oughta put a lightweight .357 on my list again.
 
I carry on road and off, the only time I don't is when I am racing......smith 642 or glock 26 in a small fanny pack....I like to keep the weight down as I have spent a good bit of cash saving weight on my bikes :D .....
around here the gangsters and wannabees have discovered the local paved bike trail, which runs through some questionable neighborhoods.....with more expensive bikes out there it seems to be a viable place for them to attempt to fund their drugs habits etc by actually knocking people off their bikes and stealing them.....
my neighbor, who commutes 15 mi each way daily and year round, thought he remembered hearing a backfire one day, when he got home he inspected his bike like always, right there in the seat tube was what looked to be a .22 cal bullet hole.....he now carrys a 2.5in python :what: ......tom
 
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There's something to be said for rolling along in a strung out pack at 30mph, waiting for the first sign of slowing so I can make a move off the pack.....
I've been known to leave the pavement.

Isn't that, ummmm, illegal in a road race. :D

We have people, including large Natives, who cycle during the winter up here. The dark winter. The dark, icy winter. The dark, icy winter on the icy roads with the big cars and irritable mooses.

I try to miss them, mostly. :evil:
 
Mec - a most excellent photo essay! That mountain gun is beautiful.
I biked to work for many years and had many problems with motorists. Wished I had been armed more than once. Never had problems with with peds. Generally out ran dogs. I had one dog who used to wait for me. He would run along side just for fun. Not a chaser, just looking for a friend.
 
the dogs are easy. i just turn around and chase them. Only got bit a couple of times and then not bad.
 
What nice guns and leather. Never saw anyone chase bicycle riders around here either. However, exercise is swell, but the same way shooting shouldn't cause other people to go deaf, bike riding shouldn't endanger automobile drivers. I can't remember all the times they've made me or someone else come to a stop because a car was coming in the other direction. Everytime it happens I think how fortunate that the motorist was able to slow down in time because he was able to see around both the curve ahead and the biker ahead. I don't shoot my guns standing in the street so I don't think its a lot to ask bicyclers to practice safe exercise. Same goes for pedestrians who think they should walk on the side of the road and cars can just go around. Now that i have stirred the pot, I am going to bed. hehe
 
Ooooh.... My bike commuter nerve has been touched.

Well it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk. Hmph! I take the lane so I don't get sideswiped. I figure, the more I ride like a car, the safer I am. It makes me more predictable. As with drivers, I have a serious problem with folks who ride like hooligans. I've chased down cyclists who blow through red lights to admonish them.

Anyway to bring it all back on topic: If I can find a Panzerfaust, I'll have a deterrent. :what:
 
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Bicycles are vehicles and are entitled to the roadway.
When its safe to pull to the side for a bicyclist, here in Utah they are required to. Most drivers don't even know the rules of the road for thier own vehicles, so its not surprising that most drivers don't know what a cyclists rights are.
 
I'll accept that in better humor when cyclists have to go to the DMV and take a bicycle test to get a real license AND have to get plates and register their bike every year for 100 bones.

Fair's fair, right?

Kinda help pay for that road construction and all.
 
Fair's fair, right?
Nice argument, but its pretty paper thin.
Bicycles don't pollute, use less roadway than a car, and cause negligible wear/tear or impact on a roadway. Registration pays for very little of the roadway funds in most states, it mostly comes from gas sales taxes and general funds.
Maybe proportional by weight? My road bike weighs 18lbs. My Cyclocross/commuter weighs 22lbs. The combined footprint of both my bicycles is less than the footprint of one passneger car tire.
Licences? Sure. It should be part of the driver's license test. That would sure make both cyclists and drivers more aware of thier rights and responsibilities.

Oh, did I mention cyclists live longer, earn more money, and use less sick time then non-cyclists? :neener:
 
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