Bicycle Guns for the Third Millenium

[carebear]

Ok, whatever percentage my motorcycle is less to register than my car, drop it to equal that percentage less. Although they may need new enforcement equipment, "the boot" might be "too much gun."

As you say, the registration fee is for more than wear and tear on the road surface, it also pays for traffic signals, signage, paint, maintenance, new construction, enforcement, snow clearing, the whole DMV costs. All of which cyclists get to cheat and use free due to not paying gas taxes. :banghead:

If we paid registration on anything resembling the actual cost of wear and tear and associated costs for traffic caused by vehicles, noone could afford to use the street.

So the proportionality of wear argument is a prima facie failure as well.

So there!

Oh yeah.......

hippy

 

[SnWnMe]

Also, every bike commuter = one less car that you have to share the road with. Remember to wave

I like granola.

 

[NC Shooter]

>Bicycles don't pollute, use less roadway than a car, and cause negligible wear/tear or impact on a roadway. Registration pays for very little of the roadway funds in most states, it mostly comes from gas sales taxes and general funds.
Maybe proportional by weight? My road bike weighs 18lbs. My Cyclocross/commuter weighs 22lbs. The combined footprint of both my bicycles is less than the footprint of one passneger car tire.
Licences? Sure. It should be part of the driver's license test. That would sure make both cyclists and drivers more aware of thier rights and responsibilities.

Oh, did I mention cyclists live longer, earn more money, and use less sick time then non-cyclists? <

My issue around here is the attitude of many cyclists. There are several clubs that ride in packs and do not allow cars to pass. So we driving cars are stuck looking at a bunch of asses three abrest going 20MPH and getting flipped the bird when you try to pass or honk your horn. One of the local clubs, when scheduling their rides, state "Let's see how many commuters we can piss off and keep them from getting home for dinner". Then schedule their ride to start at 5:00 PM - Rush hour.

I used to ride a lot, but have given it up so as not to be associated with this bunch of lunatics. My bike is old, but weighs in at 19 lbs. It's a shame too, used to enjoy it.

Y'all need to police yourselves to stop the degredation in folks attitudes toward you. Cars pay for the roads too.

Rant off. Just my $.02

 

[JamisJockey]

All of which cyclists get to cheat and use free due to not paying gas taxes.

Ah, but much of the roadway gear doesn't even apply to cyclist. Speelimit signs, lane markers, the entire freeway system is offlimits....so there is still a level of proportionality to how much is actually used.

Also, every bike commuter = one less car that you have to share the road with. Remember to wave

And yet they complain about us.

 

[mec]

Oh crap. Its turned into a bicycle flame.
It does kind of identify why I do some of my riding through residential neighborhoods where I'm more likely to be chased by pederas...Pedestrians. There is less automobile traffic there. I also don't stick at riding on sidewalks to stay out of traffic. Not sure if it's legal or not but nobody enforces the prohibition around here.

Sometimes, riding the bicycle is actually faster than automobile transport as there are a lot of licensed drivers who tend to go to sleep at intersections, drive five miles per hour, Dig in their purses at green lights and never look in their rear-view mirrors. It's often possible to go around them on a bicycle while the people in their automobils have to wait until they decide to get with the program.

Our local lake has a long pedestrian/jogger/cycling path that extends across the dam and runs about 2 miles. You have to pick your times to bicycle. It's never crowded but , in good weather, you are likely to come up behind several quivering masses of protoplasm waddling abreast from on edge of the path to the other. You have to get off the bicycle and try to walk around them. It's the same phenomena that cause automobile drivers to cut off other drivers in traffic and blast their horns when they pass bicycles. and bicycle riders to obstruct lanes of traffic just because they can. - Their mommies and daddies didn't teach them any respect.
........come to think of it, I set the tone by making fun of oleagenous lefty cow icecream eaters.

 

[abaddon]

Tomkats

Is that the Interurban trail? I haven't been there much but next time I go I'll be more careful.

Jeff

 

[abaddon]

Just to get this thread back on track:

I would think that carrying in a rig that allows accessability with your weak hand would be very important because many incidents could be initiated by causing you to crash your bike. Practice with your weak hand would be very important too.

 

[mec]

this is the Lake Waco, (tx) trail. Not famous anywhere. It goes across the dam with a wall on the lake side and a long slope falling off the other. Path is about 20 feet wide and three or four people of the right size can stop it up very well. the path goes through a flood plain an parts of it have resisted being paved over . You see deer, turkey, a lot of buzzards and the occasional hawk. Rattlesnakes like to lay up against the wall and sun themselves.
You can do 2.4 miles across this and sometimes see the President's bright green Marine 1 helicopter fly over on the way to crawford. Then you can turn and go by the airport and skeet range, turn again on the road parrelleling the dam and about a mile off. Go through a park to avoid the drunks driving around the soccer complex get back up on the dam and go home. It's a nice stretch.

One day a friend of mine stopped to deal with a rattle snake. There were a couple of mature types looking on. He used a rock to deal with the snake- who could not be persuaded to leave. " I could shoot him- but that would bring out the riot squad." The two on-lookers went ." Aw yeh, we've got pistols."

There is not much violent crime in that particular venue

 

[ExMachina]

I haven't felt the need to carry on my bike, but if I did. I'd choose the Kahr PM9 Covert. NOTE: after reading some of the hostle posts here, I suddenly feel the need for protection, why's that?

Really, all this "anti-bicycle-ism" is crazy. I live next to an interstate (an INTERSTATE) that gets clogged up nearly every day from the shear volume of traffic. People move at a snail's pace. They may even find themselves *parked* on the interstate for 20, 30, 40 minutes. Yet they put up with it, and get through it, and do it again the next day :banghead:. They choose not to take public transportation when it's available (which would cut down on both the congestion and the stress). Yet, when they get stuck behind a cyclist for even 30 seconds, they go nuts and blame HIM for slowing them down!

 

[ExMachina]

mec,

That is a truly BEAUTIFUL mountain gun

Even though I'm way too far into gun debt already, I think I can convince myslef that I've put off buying one for waaay too long

Thanks for sharing

 

[Marshall]

But when 18lbs meets 3800lbs on the road, 18lbs looses everytime.

 

[JamisJockey]

But when 18lbs meets 3800lbs on the road, 18lbs looses everytime.

Except in the ensuing lawsuits

Y'all need to police yourselves to stop the degredation in folks attitudes toward you. Cars pay for the roads too

Cyclists are just like any crosssection of society. Just like bad drivers. Just like dangerous shooters you see waving thier unit around at the range.

More than likely, those guys are breaking your local traffic laws. In most states you're required to ride single file, except when passing or in designated bike lanes, and move to the side of the road when conditions safely permit. You're also suppossed to ride with traffic. These are all citeable offences, like making a lane change in an intersection or speeding.

All of which cyclists get to cheat and use free due to not paying gas taxes.

Sorry, that still doesn't fly. My commuter car gets 40mpg...therefore am I less entitled to the road in that car?

if I did. I'd choose the Kahr PM9 Covert.

I'd think thats a good choice.

I also considered a belly band holster...but I think the sweat would be rough on anything not alloy or poly.

They may even find themselves *parked* on the interstate for 20, 30, 40 minutes.....Yet, when they get stuck behind a cyclist for even 30 seconds, they go nuts and blame HIM for slowing them down!

True. I've rarely been in a situation where I actually block traffic, and when in that situation, Joe Driver has to slow down from 35 to 20 for less than a minute.....in the long run that ain't a hell of alot.
Besides, plenty of studies show that cycling only benefits a community....so you road ragin' whiners can just kiss off!

 

[carebear]

I was flippin' throught th other forums last night and there was that thread about how threads veer in topic...

How Threads Change Over Time

The irony was striking.

For the record, when I ride on the bike path (where the god-fearing, red-meat eating, global warming disbelieving, pollution-breathing enjoying, real Americans do) I usually carry my Taurus Ti in a fanny pack for the weight savings. When I wear my cycling jersey I have been known to put it in the lycra pocket behind a rectangle of cardboard.

 

[JamisJockey]

I usually carry my Taurus Ti in a fanny pack

Probably a good choice. How much are those running, by the way? What caliber?

 

[carebear]

I have the Model 85 in .38. I paid somewhere in the mid-3's for it, can't remember exactly.

The thing weighs nothing, shoots well and the rounded shape could be anything, whether in a regular pocket or a sissy cycling jersey pocket.

Most of the time I'm out on the bike paths, whether "exercising" or just walking around, I figure (being a good-sized non-victim looking guy) I'm not in much danger myself, but there have been incidents of (mostly women) being attacked in various ways.

 

[ClarkEMyers]

Model 57 -

Seems to me the environment may include cars.

My common reply to the folks who object to sharing the road with bicycles is to offer to commute regularly over the same roads with a 20 foot trailer (actual 19 plus the tongue) behind a full size pickup.

I've had dog bites - which as puncture woulds turned out to be more of a nuisance than I expected - but only from dogs following instinct against moving objects rather than vicious animals.

Not nearly so much fun as it once was. I try to ride far enough right that folks can pass me easily - nothing like a semi whipping by with enough breeze to make me nervous followed by a tail of 40 odd cars so I can't recover comfortably.

 

[akviper]

Smith 329 Ti when montain biking ( lots of big brown bears along the trails) and a light weight Officer's model for city streets. I usually use a fanny pack with gun, cell phone, reloads, etc.

 

[tomkatz]

Is that the Interurban trail? I haven't been there much but next time I go I'll be more careful.

yes it is, I haven't had any trouble but I have talked to a few folks who have....where the trail goes under highway 18 seems to be the trouble spot.....over the summer I saw bike cops cruising that area near the supermall.......tom

 

[marley]

I am a road cyclists I follow most of the laws. I have been know to speed down hill. I stop at every sign. I just want the law says is mine the lane. I always carry to many beer bottles out of trucks going over the speed limit than I care to remember. Dogs just chase them. Road rage is a problem. Drivers feel invencible in cars and trucks. A fanny pack is the only way to carry on the bike. Slow down and share the road. Don't honk it just makes me mad. Share the road. I do. Cut me off I call the cops. Patrick

 

[NC Shooter]

>Cyclists are just like any crosssection of society. Just like bad drivers. Just like dangerous shooters you see waving thier unit around at the range.

More than likely, those guys are breaking your local traffic laws. In most states you're required to ride single file, except when passing or in designated bike lanes, and move to the side of the road when conditions safely permit. You're also suppossed to ride with traffic. These are all citeable offences, like making a lane change in an intersection or speeding.<

Called the police on these folks - The reply - "We got more important things to do than chase down a bunch of bikes. Call us when a real crime occurs."

The local bikers know this and continue to block traffic at rush hour. Gives a bad name to all of them, good and bad.

I repeat, it stoped my riding, just to not be associated with these asses. No reason for it and if you wonder why you get bad reactions from drivers, look into your own ranks.

 

[Marshall]

But when 18lbs meets 3800lbs on the road, 18lbs looses everytime.

Except in the ensuing lawsuits

Hard to sue when dead.

Get a fanny pack man.

 

[S&W44]

The top one is for 4-legged creatures,the bottom one for the 2 legged variety.

 

[zougou]

mec --

Is that Artemis on the sideplate?

 

[mec]

Yep. Artemis /Diana confused with Selene. From an 1885 painting by Walter Crane- "Diana and Endemion" The pure-form Artemis didn't have much use for men but one legend that has her mixed up with the moon goddess has her capturing this pretty boy and keeping him for her own purposes.

I liked this version because she is well proportioned. A lot of the Artemis/ Diana paintings portray her as a real pie wagon.