Tommygunn
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Biden gives tactical advice...shotgun vs AR while foot is in mouth.
Biden is a world class goofus.
Biden is a world class goofus.
Biden gives tactical advice...shotgun vs AR
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InkEd
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I think the solution to the whole debate is simple.
Every home in America needs a semi-auto MK19 grenade launcher with one box of linked ammo. IIRC a standard (.50cal size ammo can) holds less than 30rds. They are excellent for defending a fixed position like a house. The cartridges are BIG and therefore by BIDEN LOGIC would be even better than shotgun shells for defense, since shot shells are bigger than rifle cartridges. Plus, they are large and cannot be concealed. It makes PERFECT sense!
Every home in America needs a semi-auto MK19 grenade launcher with one box of linked ammo. IIRC a standard (.50cal size ammo can) holds less than 30rds. They are excellent for defending a fixed position like a house. The cartridges are BIG and therefore by BIDEN LOGIC would be even better than shotgun shells for defense, since shot shells are bigger than rifle cartridges. Plus, they are large and cannot be concealed. It makes PERFECT sense!
Okiegunner
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Really and truly...
For most home defense situations, there is probably nothing better to have/use than a 12G shotgun. Not sexy, just effective.
Having said that...Scr*w Joe. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with what is or is not better for home defense!!
For most home defense situations, there is probably nothing better to have/use than a 12G shotgun. Not sexy, just effective.
Having said that...Scr*w Joe. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with what is or is not better for home defense!!
These people are totally wrong.
Most LEOs are pro-gun (or if they are not pro-gun, they know that bans that target law abiding citizens are not the answer). I guess not most upper-brass though because I heard that the International Association of Chiefs of Police supports the AWB. Unforunately they are the ones that get the press and not the pro-gun street cops. My guess is that the chiefs are coming out in support of this in order to appeal to city managers who are their bosses.
Luckily we have numerous sheriffs whose only bosses are their constituents who are standing up in opposition of the AWB.
Powerglide
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Wonder if the troops would agree it's the best self-defense weapon?
Halal Pork
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I'm surprised Biden didn't say "just tell the Secret Service detail to handle it while you get some sleep."
somerandomguy
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Not to pick a fight or anything, but it's not a Right vs Left issue. I am a proud Liberal yet am incredibly pro gun. Why does it matter what someone's political affiliations are? That doesn't mean that they blindly follow party lines...
OilyPablo
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Mainly because liberal NE and West Coast Democrats vote overwhelming for gun control. Yes - they follow lock step in party lines. Happens every day.
Back to Biden, this hack is juicing up for 2016. People who listen to him for advice on anything beside hair, teeth and good places to hide liquor have some serious balance issues.
How did you vote in 2012?
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I voted for Obama because as much as I don't trust Obama, I certainly didn't trust Romney at all. I also voted for some Republicans as well as conservative judges. Like I said: I don't vote party lines, I vote on who aligns with my views the most.
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Agreed. The question is whether or not individuals support the Constitution, specifically the Second Amendment. We know Biden does not. Where I live, it's valuable to check NRA grades for candidates because party affiliation isn't necessarily indicative of how they will vote on the issues we're all concerned with on this forum.
huntsman
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The military isn't in the self-defense business they need firearms for offense as the goal is victory, but when the troops engaged in protective services the shotgun was used.
digsigs226
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There was an excerpt of this on CNN this morning:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/24/bidens-gun-advice-for-earthquakes/
"It's harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun, OK?" he said, as he mimicked holding a gun with both arms. "So if you want to keep people away in an earthquake, buy some shotgun shells."
I'm all for shotgun defense, but if he is seriously advocating a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun is more easily manageable and efficient than a .223 AR you are insane. Especially to the untrained, women, etc.
Biden said that gunman, who had 30-round magazines, had to swap out "four or five times." If limited to 10 rounds, however, the vice president argued the gunman would have had to swap out 25 or 30 times.
...Apparently basic math was not his strong point.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/24/bidens-gun-advice-for-earthquakes/
"It's harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun, OK?" he said, as he mimicked holding a gun with both arms. "So if you want to keep people away in an earthquake, buy some shotgun shells."
I'm all for shotgun defense, but if he is seriously advocating a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun is more easily manageable and efficient than a .223 AR you are insane. Especially to the untrained, women, etc.
Biden said that gunman, who had 30-round magazines, had to swap out "four or five times." If limited to 10 rounds, however, the vice president argued the gunman would have had to swap out 25 or 30 times.
...Apparently basic math was not his strong point.
22-rimfire
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Huntsmand; So was New Orleans following Katrina "offense or defense"?
As much as I HATE the term, I tend to agree with you. I would personally prefer a 12 ga Remington 870 shotgun if I were using it for defensive purposes.
And Biden also said that regular folks would require 1 to 1.5 minutes to change a magazine versus the 1 second or two by the experts.
Apparently Biden has an intellegence problem...
As much as I HATE the term, I tend to agree with you. I would personally prefer a 12 ga Remington 870 shotgun if I were using it for defensive purposes.
And Biden also said that regular folks would require 1 to 1.5 minutes to change a magazine versus the 1 second or two by the experts.
Apparently Biden has an intellegence problem...
RCArms.com
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This is funny. A guy that has trouble putting a coherent sentence together giving advice on what is a better choice for home protection.
robert garner
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I don't take advice from drunks,next?
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mljdeckard
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I played the clip for my noob wife, and she was he was just stupid.
You can say that it isn't a partisan issue, but the fact is, the democratic party put an assualt weapons ban back into their agenda. To me, it's kind of like saying you don't believe in God, but that hasn't stopped you from being a good Catholic. We do have some dems (like Matheson) shock-collar conditioned, and it seems to be working for now.
You can say that it isn't a partisan issue, but the fact is, the democratic party put an assualt weapons ban back into their agenda. To me, it's kind of like saying you don't believe in God, but that hasn't stopped you from being a good Catholic. We do have some dems (like Matheson) shock-collar conditioned, and it seems to be working for now.
I can't speak for everyone, but when I complain about the Dems trying to take my guns, I'm not complaining about Democrats in general, I'm complaining about those in power, because for the most part they DO follow party lines. The Democrat party also officially states they support gun control. I know that most citizens don't agree 100% with their party, but it is a fact that the official position of the left is to get rid of guns.
I hope you're enjoying what you voted for. I hold you and the rest of the Obama voters responsible for what is happening.
Perhaps if you liked neither, you shouldn't have voted in the Presidential election?
mljdeckard
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^^Yup.
huntsman
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I'm not sure I understand the question but I'm of the belief that the military shouldn't be used on US soil for relief work, meal on wheels or anything other than defending the nation's sovereignty.
Old Joe is making a lame attempt to justify the proposed banning of certain firearms by offering what he thinks is an allowable choice for SD, the message may be dumb but that doesn't mean a double shotgun isn't a legitimate SD gun, better than an AR? that's for each of us to decide but what’s important is that we all have the chance to make the decision.
Tommygunn
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OkieGunner said:
Okie, the V.P. said double barrel shotgun. Personally I have a Mossberg 500 which is a slide action that I use. I wouldn't use a double barrel because you get two shots and then have to reload and that's "clunky." An AR gives you a semiauto and a normal cap magazine provides lots of firepower and is IMHO far superior to a double barrel shotgun.
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