Smaug
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CraigC said:I wouldn't lend any credibilty to test results, regardless of the range, until it's done with a good scope.
Unless the results are better without the scope than with the cheapo scope!
CraigC said:I wouldn't lend any credibilty to test results, regardless of the range, until it's done with a good scope.
That. Furthermore it needs to be hyper (not high) velocity, or better yet sub-sonic ammo for 100yds. Why you ask, look at the ballistics tables for a hi-V .22LR and you'll see that the transonic boundary is somewhere in the 80-90yd. range...that's a problem because bullets often become unstable when they go sub-sonic (the problem is actually caused by the bullet hitting it's own sound wave). Most of the time the same ammo will group into half the MOA you were able to achieve at 100yds. if you back it down to 50yds. If you want to shoot at 100+, I believe it is best to spring for some decent sub-sonic match (which doesn't have to be too costly, I have had good results out of Aguila Rifle Match which is sub-$0.10/rnd.). Another tidbit of advice...pick a calm day to shoot (which I'm sure you already know, but it deserves to be said).You need to shoot some decent ammo to get good groups at 100yrds with a 22lr.
I'm not positive, but I believe it's fine (though it may not like the "stinger" case length found on some hyper ammo). It is harder on the buffer, so I would use it in moderation (same goes for most any other SA rimfire)...or just stick to sub-sonic which tends to demonstrate better accuracy (whether it is match grade or not), cost a bit less (unless it's good match), extend your range well beyond 100yds. (on a really good day), as well as reduce the impact on your rifle.I thought I read somewhere that hyper velocity ammo is a no-go in this gun. I will double check the manual, which I just downloaded last night.
Yep, maybe even half that. The scope (and rings) is definitely going to help too. Best first investment would be a box of Wolf Match Extra...or RWS Rifle Match...or Eley Match...even a box of Aguila Match will be a step in the right direction. Other than that, the trigger is the only thing that I would touch (to remove some of the creep + weight + unnecessary over-travel).Anyone think I can get MOA out of this rig with the right ammo? I'm willing to try some really spendy stuff if it looks like it is improving things.
Not exactly. Shooting MOA at 100yds is not as easy as at 50yds. Things really start to come apart at 100yds and 1MOA quickly becomes 2MOA. Especially with anything but match ammo. Takes a very good rifle, with very good match ammo, a light and crisp trigger and good optics to shoot MOA at 100yds with a .22LR.So, 1" at 25 yds. = 4" at 100 yds., right?
Mostly depends upon the ammo. I have noticed that the Rem. C-Bees (which is a great cartridge for hunting because it opens up nicely) won't cycle in most any SA rifle, whereas many of the other types (particularly match, which is most often a 40gr. bullet just under Mach 1) will cycle fine.I also wonder if the gun will cycle reliably with Subsonic. I didn't notice until now that the Subsonic ammo I bought only has 38 gr. bullets. 40 gr. would have been better.
What's that mean Smitty?
You think I made that post because I've never shot at 200yds??? It sounds as if YOU are the one who has never actually tested on paper at 200yds.And if you doubt I can make a pop can dance at 200 yards all I can say is you must never have shot a .22 at 200 yards because it isn't that hard. I had my 795 shooting roughly a 12" group at 300 yards not long ago and that's with iron sights and shooting off hand.
Same reason why a half-MOA rifle at 50yds doesn't shoot half-MOA at 100yds. Now I'm wondering how much actual shooting you've done at those ranges. Shooting MOA at 100yds with the .22LR, consistently, is not an easy thing to do and you need a rifle/load combination that shoots sub-MOA at 50yds to do it. WIth the .22LR, things are starting to fall apart at 100yds. Wind is critical, as is your shooting technique, which needs to be near perfect. If you think an MOA rifle (at 50yds) can shoot MOA at 200yds, put your money where you mouth is and prove it. I know a certain 200yd benchrest shooter who would love to get ahold of your $100 Marlin that manages such a feat.And why you think an MOA rifle will only shoot 4" groups at 200 yards is beyond me.
50yds is the gold standard and yields the most "usable" numbers. Like I said before, it is more indicative of your rifle's potential and a more usable result. Shooting at 100yds is a little more problematic. Yes, some rifles are capable of MOA at that range but it is more difficult to achieve and a half inch at 50yds does not translate to one inch at 100yds. It just doesn't work that way, especially with bulk high velocity ammo.If I shot at 50 yards, I'd have to measure center to center distances of something like 0.5". (assuming I get things dialed in.)