"Black and Armed"

[Speedo66]

Interesting opinion piece regarding black gun ownership.

The author talks about growing up in rural LA, where most black families he knew had guns for hunting and sport.

He then talks about black people currently buying guns out of fear. This is seemingly a current occurrence across the racial spectrum in the US.

I think the piece is worth a look.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

 

[GEM]

Interesting piece. There have quite a few in a similar vein. Some industry sources show a very high percentage of new gun owners are minority groups and women. Self-protection, civil unrest, fear of resurgent negative attitudes towards minorities are drivers.

 

[FROGO207]

Not surprising in the least IMO. It took the MSM a loooong time to admit this was a thing sadly. We all as Americans want to be as safe as we can arrange to be and the last few years have been IMO the golden years of good quality yet inexpensive firearms that everybody could afford to this end.

 

[BreechFace]

Black American's should be a huge sector moving into firearm ownership. Especially, with the history of restricting their rights; it's great to see more law abiding citizens exercising their rights. It's especially great seeing folks like Colin Noir who I think has a powerful influence for the good of 2A because the main stream media's common racial prejudice on middle aged white people doesn't work in that regard. And to see a well spoken black American espousing the rights we all have is refreshing, I hope he is well received by our fellow black Americans in this country, as he is very well read on the subject.

 

[Deanimator]

People, especially Black people, have finally learned that the only person who's going to protect you when you need it is you.

My cousin in Chicago who's never owned a firearm before (or probably shot one before we went to the range last Christmas) wants to buy a handgun for home defense. She lives on the near north side of Chicago near the lake. The shops on either side of her apartment were looted earlier this year. Unfortunately for her, I couldn't even give her a ballpark price on an affordable revolver, since when I tried, pretty much EVERYBODY who had anything remotely appropriate was sold out.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

In his Message to Congress urging passage of the Ku-Klux Acts, President Grant noted that among the Klan's many crimes was :
"They have conspired to deny Negro citizens the right to own and bear arms."

 

[theotherwaldo]

Maybe we can finally lay the concept of Race (and all of its associated Klan baggage) to rest and start to have true equality among the various ethnicities.

Texas is finally dropping the last of the old Jim Crow-style laws and regulations that were intended to keep the 'lesser races' in check. I hope that your state is doing it as well.

I'm still amused that I must declare what Race I belong to whenever I purchase a firearm and there is no category marked 'Human'... .

 

[BreechFace]

I'm still amused that I must declare what Race I belong to whenever I purchase a firearm and there is no category marked 'Human'... .

Wherever I can I leave demographics off, I do. We are all of equal worth regardless of race and sex, period. Government needs to stop putting us in boxes, they are the racists as long as this is going on.

To bring this back to firearms, what does race and sex have to do with a 4473 form?

Just another box to divide people.

 

[doubleh]

"To bring this back to firearms, what does race and sex have to do with a 4473 form?"

Nothing except our overlords in Washington want to know.

 

[RangerHAAF]

This individual is a well known anti-gunner who typically spouts anti-gun propaganda every chance he gets and hedges his anti-gun bets in this article, referring to "hunters" and the other typical gun control reasons to justify owning guns. Disregard and proscribe him and the others like him.

 

[H&R Glock]

I reject as false the statement in the story, and I quote:

"When I moved north, first to Detroit and then to New York, I moved into a mental space of more stringent gun control. In general, people weren’t hunting. There was law enforcement everywhere, reachable as quickly as one could dial 911. There were cellphones."

As quickly as one could dial 911- HORSEHOCKY! If there is no area-wide trouble they might get to you in 45 minutes after the crime went down.

 

[Deanimator]

I reject as false the statement in the story, and I quote:

"When I moved north, first to Detroit and then to New York, I moved into a mental space of more stringent gun control. In general, people weren’t hunting. There was law enforcement everywhere, reachable as quickly as one could dial 911. There were cellphones."

As quickly as one could dial 911- HORSEHOCKY! If there is no area-wide trouble they might get to you in 45 minutes after the crime went down.

My family called the Chicago Police Department to report arsonists and rioters attacking the neighborhood... in 1919.

They haven't shown up yet.

Fortunately my great uncles, just back from France, went to their National Guard armories and came back with M1917s, M1903s and machine guns. If they hadn't, I wouldn't be here to type this.

 

[RangerHAAF]

Just gun control propaganda to cool things down as state and local governmental battles begin to try to disarm the public.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Couldn't read it-not giving the Times my subscription or info.

 

[Kleanbore]

I do not trust, nor do I read, the NYT.

 

[Obturation]

I've got a good friend who is a black guy in his early 70s, he's a veteran and lifelong gun owner. The rest of his family aren't gun folks, he recently told me that his sister and her husband needed to get a couple handguns due to 2020 being such a gem of a year. Thinking on it a minute I thought what might be a good handgun for a first time gun owner in her 70s, he told me they had bought a couple sw shields .nice.
Then he told me he was teaching a couple of his nephews to shoot and he would be helping them select handguns too. Great.
So from just that one conversation with my buddy he told me of 2 new gun owners and 2 potential new gun owners, all black people who felt the need to become armed. That's great news to me, minorities need to be concerned with their safety as much or more than everyone else. Strange that it took a year of lockdowns, riots and chaos to inspire them but at least they're thinking about it now and they've got a good source of information from my friend .

 

[JeffG]

I have always suspected that the hidden goal of disarming cities was to deny 2nd A rights to minorities; misunderstanding the difference of criminals from law abiding people of color.

 

[theotherwaldo]

It's divide, disarm and conquer... .

 

[Deanimator]

I have always suspected that the hidden goal of disarming cities was to deny 2nd A rights to minorities; misunderstanding the difference of criminals from law abiding people of color.

Oh, the things anti-gun cultists will say to you when they don't know your ethnicity...

 

[Legionnaire]

It's an interesting piece; thanks for the link. I welcome all to the gun community. But I wish such articles would address the problem of intra-ethnic violence. The last paragraph almost sounds like someone who understands the 2nd Amendment, but the previous paragraph belies that.

 

[hanno]

This individual is a well known anti-gunner who typically spouts anti-gun propaganda every chance he gets and hedges his anti-gun bets in this article, referring to "hunters" and the other typical gun control reasons to justify owning guns. Disregard and proscribe him and the others like him.

Agreed.

I'm glad gun ownership is up. Most of his article is just the usual tripe. I lived in the sewer known as inner-city Detroit for two years. Must have been a different Detroit than the one he describes.

 

[If1HitU]

Good read thanks for sharing the link.

 

[WrongHanded]

Couldn't read it-not giving the Times my subscription or info.

Opening such links in an "incognito" window usually results in viewing without subscription.

 

[kimberkid]

This individual is a well known anti-gunner who typically spouts anti-gun propaganda every chance he gets and hedges his anti-gun bets in this article, referring to "hunters" and the other typical gun control reasons to justify owning guns. Disregard and proscribe him and the others like him.

This is something I suspected in reading the article, his comments about "Many" state codes prohibited Black gun ownership before the Civil War ... he doesn't mention that there were only 34 states, and 11 were slave owning southern states and declared as Confederate, there were 3 others undeclared while there were 20 Union States, so if you want to spin it as "Many" it would be true, but they were the slave owning states.
His snide comments about "unrelenting series of unarmed Black people being killed on video" he conveniently leaves out the FACT, that those same "unarmed Black people" were not obeying lawful orders by officers, or mentioning that 99%(my guesstimate) of these unarmed Black people, had long rap sheets for violent crimes.

In my opinion, the "Opinion" of Charles Blow is extremely slanted, and published by a slanted tabloid ... the New York Times, does not report NEWS, it reports opinion as do most other media outlets.

 

[GEM]

Hmm, I don't we want to debate the idea of debating 'disobeying lawful orders' or having rap sheets. The use of lethal force is more complex. So to avoid us flaming out, I'm going to call this one. Read the article or not, agree or disagree or not.

Closed as racial issues never go well.