Black MZ - New Alliant Powder Coming!

[arcticap]

It's probably not even on the store shelves yet, but Alliant is marketing a new black powder substitute named Black MZ.
There's some speculation that it might be like Black Mag XP substitute powder because the name is similar.
Black Mag XP went out of production when the New Hampshire plant exploded.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/blackmz.aspx

 

[Diggers]

So what are these substitues used for mostly? The modern inline muzzle loaders?

To each their own, but I'm not sure I really understand why folks want to use one of those and not just go all the way and get a traditional muzzle loader and shoot real black powder. More power in the modern ML's maybe??

 

[arcticap]

So what are these substitues used for mostly? The modern inline muzzle loaders?

Most sub powders will work in just about any type of BP gun.
We don't know enough about this new powder because no one has tried it yet.
But some sub powders do burn cleaner when compared to black powder.

Graf's has it listed for $21.99 but it's not in stock:

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23435

 

[junkman_01]

Availability is why some use substitute powders. BP is getting MUCH harder to find. Dealers do not want to stock it, and ordering on line requires 25# minimum orders most of the time.

 

[45-70 Ranger]

The mfg. claims it is corrosive free. That's a tall claim indeed.
But as junkman said, the good stuff is hard to find in places and the subs do have their place. T7 is getting a workout at my range as I've got a 75 mile trip to get BP (wen in stock!!) and the radiator on my car leaks like crazy.

But back to this new stuff. It is said to be a might hot like T7, and leave little residue. When it makes it's way into east Texas, I'll give it a try. My radiatior ain't gettin' any better ya know!

Wade

 

[jbmabrey]

If it is the same formula as Black mag3 it will be good. I've used Blackmag3 for 4-5 years.

Reasons-good ignition, long shelf life(even when it gets hard and clumpy-just break it up and shoot), Yes it is non corrosive.

Shoots with consistent accuracy, easy clean up and for those of us that have allergies very easy on the sinuses.

I hope it is the same. I still have 2 bottles of Black mag and mostly use BH 209 in my TC encore inlines and Shockey gold in my encore 45 inline and my tc New Englander 12 ga.
I would switch back in a heart beat if this is the Black mag replacement.

As for why people don't use bp in traditional ml-"human ingenuity" - http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/myweb2/images/whiterifles/history_muzzleloading.htm

This gives a good history fo inline ml and other types of locks. Inline patented in England on 4 July, 1807. It was around long before that-1600's.

 

[Hellgate]

I used BM3 tears ago. It was a tan color and much superior to Black Canyon. However, I did find it was corrosive to brass if unattended. I rinsed my brass in plain hot water after a match and then dried and tumbled it. It had about the same umph as the Blk Canyon but not as strong as 777 (which also will corrode brass if not rinsed out)

 

[AbitNutz]

I'd like to try it. Maybe it ignites a little easier than triple 7.

 

[Erich]

I heard a report (just hearsay) on the Canadian Gun Nutz forum that it's not like BM3, but rather AP.

 

[andrewstorm]

Gotta love herc-alliant co.

BULLSEYE,UNIQUE,AND NOW A MODERN BP SUBSITUTE.......WHO WOULDA THOUGHT.......... ABIT NUTZ......USE ONLY FRESH CCI MAG 11CAPS FOR SURE IGNITION UN YER R O A ,USE CCI MAG 209 PRIMERS FER YER 3 777 PELLET LOADS FER LONG RANGE BIG GAME WITH AN INLINE,USE ONLY FRESH POWDER FOR DANGEROUS GAME,AS 777 IS HYDROSCOPIC,HOPEFULLY THIS NEW POWDER TRULY IS NOT,AND IF ITS EASIER TO IGNITE THAN BLACKHORN 209,ILL BUY SOME.................KEEP US POSTED

 

[Ghost Dog]

Has any one tried this yet? Our local Scheels isn't stocking it yet. Cabela's
has it on their web site, on sale 29.?? per pound but you have to pay the hasmat fee. They are not carrying it in our local store and I don't want to buy multiple pounds at once until I'm sure I like it.

So, If you've tried this Please let us know what you think.

Thanks, GD

 

[alsaqr]

If it is the same formula as Black mag3 it will be good. I've used Blackmag3 for 4-5 years.

It's not Black Mag3. Alliant Black MZ is made by APP. A friend has tried that powder and he says its the same as the old GOEX Pinnacle. i like Pinnacle.

There will not be any BM3 any time soon, if ever. An explosion and fire destroyed the BM3 plant last year and killed two workers. A previous wreck seriously injured one worker.

To make a long story short, BM refused to clean up its act after the first incident. OSHA fined the company 1.2 million dollars after the second train wreck at the plant. The owner of BM surrendered his explosive manufacturers license. Some other powder company may make BM3 some day.

http://ohsonline.com/articles/2011/...-following-blast-that-killed-two-workers.aspx

Jul 05, 2011
As part of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Labor, Black Mag LLC, doing business as BMI and as Black Mag Industries, and Craig Sanborn, the company's president, managing member, and primary owner, have surrendered Black Mag LLC's explosives manufacturing license and will permanently refrain from employing workers in any explosives-related business enterprise.

 

[MCgunner]

So what are these substitues used for mostly? The modern inline muzzle loaders?

To each their own, but I'm not sure I really understand why folks want to use one of those and not just go all the way and get a traditional muzzle loader and shoot real black powder. More power in the modern ML's maybe??
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~Dig

Because you can't find BP in Texas. I won't order it. Nobody carries it, and the subs have advantages.

I await the availability of Black MZ for teesting as it's supposed to be very easy to ignite (most subs aren't) and it is supposed to burn really clean such that scrubbing the bore isn't necessary between shots.

I have some Blackhorn 209 to try in my inline, but it's for inline 209 ignition only. It's also supposed to be very clean, but it's sorta pricey. Once this BlackMZ comes out and if it's good, I'll use it for my sidelocks that hangfire on Pyrodex. If i could get real black powder, impossible in the last 30 years, I would for these guns, but if Black MZ shoots as clean as they say, I'd probably prefer it, anyway, for most of my range shooting.

I'm thinking of joining a BP club in town and I might be able to get my hands on some black if I get around some other BP guys that won't shoot anything else. But, I have shot lots of black 40 years ago when I got my first muzzle loader and I sorta prefer some of the new clean burn powders. 777 is very clean and I like it a lot, but it still requires scrubbing the bore between shots.

 

[frontiergander]

black mz is just repackaged american pioneer super powder. Move on, its not worth even looking into.

Blackhorn209 $27 delivered to your door <-------

 

[alsaqr]

Move on, its not worth even looking into.

Strange: FG ordered boxes of the stuff and used to talk loudly of the virtues of APP. Yeah, i know you from several other boards including HNI.

 

[Jim Watson]

Secondary Uses: Black Powder Cartridges (Cowboy Action, Re-enactments)

Gotta be careful on those. If there is any nitrocellulose present (Blackhorn 209, I believe) you can't use it in SASS - CAS.
You can't use any fake powder in NSSA.

 

[frontiergander]

yep well over 16lbs of the stuff and its just to much for someone to learn how to use the stuff properly. Nothing on the market today compares to BH209.

 

[MCgunner]

black mz is just repackaged american pioneer super powder. Move on, its not worth even looking into.

If that's the case, you may be right, but the hype/advertizing says it's moisture resistant and APP certainly is NOT, at least the Shocky's Gold I played with. I think it's worth a try. I can always toss it out like I did the APP if I don't like it.

I'm going to shoot some BH209 tomorrow. One thing about that stuff just from reading the label, no using it in anything, but an inline with 209 ignition. I wanna try Black MZ for its ignition qualities in a sidelock.