Bloggers stand up to Ohio Newspaper over CCW

[alan]

Gentlemen:

Re the various comments on this discussion, if I may make make so bold, I believe that you all are making a serious error. Unfortunately, that error involves your trying to deal with "media types" as responsible adults, who can be reasoned with, who listen to different opinions and try to understand different positions, as well as trying to understand why it is that reasonable people hold them.

Unfortunately, media types have their own agenda, you can get a good look at this by reading Bernard Goldberg's Arrogance, his latest book, he has written two, dealing with broadcasting. There is little difference between print and electronic "journalism" re their slanting and distorting of things, or with what amount to their temper tantrums. Have you ever tried to talk with a truly spoiled brat? There are truly miserable creatures, aren't they?

Re media's transgressions, look at the pile of crap they created via their "coverage" of so-called Cop Killer Bullets, which never killed a cop, Plastic Pistols, that supposedly pass through metal detectors unnoticed, they don't now, nor did they ever, and last but not least, the bo-ra-ha over and about Assault Weapons, another of medias "wet dreams", things that simply do not exist. Assault Rifles most certainly do, but try to get the average Talking Head to actually define Assault Rifle. Get the average reporter to do the same thing. They either cannot or will not, for the correct definition of the genre would blow their baloney "journalism" right out of the water.

It's exactly the same thing with their desire to publish the names and any other data they might wish, about Concealed Carry Permit or License Holders. They will do exactly what they want to do, and if their antics are checked, they will have another temper tantrum, all in the name of A Free Press. It's all a reminder of the Free Speech Movement at University of California, Berkley in the 1960's, as operated by the late Mario Savio. There was plenty of Free Speech for Mario, and his fellow travellers, though there wasn't much for anyone else.

Thanks for your time.

 

[Shaughn Leayme]

How about contacting the Media outlets advertisers?

They look to thier bottom line and even the inference of a threat to thier economic future can cause them to apply pressure on the parties that are bringing them into the spotlight, namely the media outlet.

If they are publicly traded companies, investors don't like controversy, it affects thier bottom line.

There is more than one way to go at this.

 

[alan]

Shaughn Leayme:

It's certainly an idea, except for the following.

I tried that once or twice, respecting the way content was handled on a television show. I contacted sponsors, indicating my displeasure with the fact that their sponsorship of this rubbish, significant technical errors in the television presentation, was tantamount to their placing their seal of approval on this sloppy garbage, and that therefore I and my family would withhold, to the greatest extent possibly, patronage of the sponsors products.

Most of the sponsors chose not to respond, as I recall, and one that did came up with more or less the following line. They said that their advertizing agency offered them the whole thing, as a "package", take it or leave it, they, the sponsor would have absolutely no input re content.

When I asked, re the line they took in their reply to my comments, who it was that was paying whom, I got nothing more in the way of response. Possibly some questions were asked, in house, however I had no way of telling. Perhaps with a newspaper, one might have better luck, as advertisers would tend to be local outfits, more subject to local pressure and or input.

 

[gunsmith]

I just called Douglas to ask him why

Douglas I want to know why you would publish the name and addresses
of Concealed Carry permit holders.

Douglas Clifton
19 Shoreby Dr
Cleveland, OH 44108-1161
Tel.: (216) 761-6577

I called at 2230 hours,1930 CA time
He was not very happy,said "look I wrote about that allready so goodbye"

PS: I did not wake any one up it was clear he was wide awake,his wife answered the phone on the 1st ring.

 

[Bill Hook]

Why is he unhappy? Don't his readers have a "right to know," which includes personally contacting him?

 

[gunsmith]

I was surprised

That he came to the phone,obviously alot more of us need to call and ask him why he wants to put our families life in danger by giving criminals a place to steal guns from

 

[grampster]

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. If the CCW info is public info, then let anyone who wants to access it, do so. It is not necessary for the paper to publish the info, only that it is available if anyone wants to.

To publish the names illuminates the agenda and the mentality of the publisher. He is acting like a 6 year year old school child bound and determined to lash out. What some left wingers fail to understand is that with freedom comes responsibility and thoughtfulness.

I am free to eat the second cream filled donut, but I have determined it is not in my or my family's or my neighbor's best interest to do so as I have clogged arteries and I support my family, mow my neighbors yard and would I would like to retire to Big Pine Key. Poor example maybe, but I think you get my point. For every action there is a reaction.

Publish the names of the newsguys......Tit for Tat says I. Reap as you sow.

 

[Hal]

Mal - I copy that.

Getting where we are w/CCW here in Ohio has been a long trek. It ain't over yet though. We still have to play to the middle and come across as level headed adults to the screaming brats of the anti's and their trolls.

There's several groups collecting signatures (IIRC they need 190K) to try to force the issue to go the the voters.

Another thread here on the same topic has posts in it which would do quite a bit of harm in the court of public opinion.

 

[Coronach]

When conversing with these individuals, ask them if they wish their driver's license information to be freely available to all and sundry. It is worth noting that in Ohio BMV/LEADS information is not treated in such a manner. This is for a reason.

Mike

 

[jfh]

where is this issue at?

I'd like an update---

 

[Desertdog]

Has any one talked to a lawyer and asked what kind of lawsuit could be filed for invasion of privacy if their name is published? To me, a legal transaction (issuence of ccw), should not rate a "news worthy" item.

What kind of lawsuit could be filed if their name is published and shortly there after their home is broken into and firearms are stolen?

If the editor wants to do some good, he should report how many CCWs have been issued to let the BGs know how much armed opposition they are facing.

 

[alan]

Gentlemen:

If I may, a point or two.

Re your complaints, the point you are missing is that "it depends on whose ox is being gored".

To date, the gored ox is that of the individual citizen. Should it come to pass that the ox being gored is that of the newspaper or other media types, who scream "freedom of the press" whilst they literally lie, cheat and steal, you might then see that proverbial "sea change". Till then, don't hold your breath, but to the extent possible, keep after these media phoneys.

On the subject of a law suit, advise on that score will have to come from others, as I simply do not know enough about the law in general, or Ohio's laws in particular. I suspect that there are some, on this site, who aren't so handicapped.

 

[gunsmith]

SO,any updates Publicola??

It was very satisfying hearing Douglas Clifton's shock at being
called by a (as AZrick called me) "knucle dragging gunny"
(how AZ got to see my knuckles? I don't know I guess he's a smart guy!)
evrybody should call him!

i lernt to spill at pudlic skool!

 

[Publicola]

I've been kinda busy & haven't been keeping up with things as earnestly as I should, but I haven't seen anything that hasn't been talked about in this thread.

The next stage will probably come when a newspaper publishes the CCW permit holders info. That is unless they attempt to make a fuss about some bloggers publishing the editor's info, but that seems unlikely. Not impossible but unlikely.

If anything happens I'll update this thread.

 

[Jeff Thomas]

Clifton's response was disingenuous. While it is true that the media shouldn't have these names at all, do you really believe anti-self defense wackos in the media had nothing to do with the inclusion of this provision?

There is no good purpose served by such a data release ... it is simply another way to stifle the fundamental human right of self defense ... and Clifton knows it.

He and his kind lack the intellectual honesty and guts to admit the truth of their bias.

Buckeyes should picket the homes of such wackos.

Regards from TX

 

[gunsmith]

good idea Jeff!

picket signs in front of his house saying
"why does Douglas wan't your house to be robbed?
why does he wan't you dead?"

 

[XLMiguel]

Hrumph! Publishing CCW holders' 411 is just like publishing the 411 on all the Mercedes owners in the area - it becomes a defacto shopping list for criminals. It also exposes the CCW holders to potential harassment for anti-self defense wankers.

Class action suit, anyone?

 

[gunsmith]

now that Ohio has CCW

has douglas been printing up names?