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Have shot many thousands of rds the last few months in indoor range and also use tumbler to clean cases indoors.Got blood test results as 62 or 64 and wondering if I left lead trails in my car and home.Always washed my hands but not clothes and shoes. I am pretty upset by results of my stupidity as Ive been shooting 35 years.Now have to get my house checked for lead. What made me get tested was thread I read here on tumblers which I did not think about before. Can anyone make me feel better?
 
Let us know what you find out about your house.

I suppose there's no way of knowing what your lead levels were BEFORE you started shooting indoors? Or have you been tumbling/shooting indoors for many years?

Start taking 1000 or 2000 mg of vitamin C per day, and don't shoot or handle lead for a month if you can help it. See what happens.
 
Primary source of exposure is inhalation most probably from the indoor shooting. Does your tumbler have a solid cover or one with slots? If it is slotted, tape it over with duct tape. Lots of lead in the primers. Change your media often.

You do not absorb much lead through your skin, so washing your hands before eating, smoking etc will solve that.

Best thing is to find a outside range, stop shooting for a while and see a Doctor.
Lead accumulates and is hard to remove from the body.
 
Thanks,will do. DR says see him in 3 months for another test and stay away from lead for that much time. Tumbler is closed .I must open and dump contents into strainer and shake. Thats no good. Dust must go in my lungs and everywhere else
 
Make sure you dump the tumbler contents when you are outside and be upwind if the wind is blowing. Wear gloves...and have a mask on.
 
Make sure you dump the tumbler contents when you are outside and be upwind if the wind is blowing. Wear gloves...and have a mask on.
For the last 2 weeks I bought 1/2 face respitator special rated for lead and wore it to range . Also use gloves everytime I can. Thanks for info only I am a few years too late. I will take the advice for future and like I originally said I saw it here first and thats what reminded me of the risks as I once did know them.
 
Good luck with it

Okay. Let me premise this with "I know squat about reloading" but I do know a lot about containing air born particulates.

I got to ask a couple of things.

Where do you do your tumbling and what are you tumbling? If you're reloading set up is in the basement or the garage, getting rid of the air born particulates is easy. Go to your local big box hardware store and pick up an inexpensive kitchen out door venting range hood. Mount it over the work bench where your tumbler is. Get your self some lexan and attach it to the side lip of the hood on both the right and left side of the hood so that the lexan bottom edge is sitting on the bench and top edge is connected to the hood. Run a flex hose to the outside wall where you have already punched a hole and mounted a through the wall dryer vent. Or connect the hood to a shop vac that uses a HEPA filter to filter the exhaust air.

You might also consider a wet tumbler. More expensive and not widely used in reloading I think, but you can pick up a small bench top wet tumbler from a hobby machine shop equipment supplier. Tumbling your brass wet will trap the dust that comes off it. Or you can get the closed dry type that has a lid to cover it and have a shop vac ready when you go to dump the tumbler.

What are the numbers you're giving us? I found this article you might want to read from the CDC http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20050526/cdc-dangerous-blood-lead-levels-down. It pertains mainly to children but it brings up the home environment. How old is your home? What kind of paint are you exposed to?

Some time ago I changed over to totally enclosed ammunition for use on the indoor range because of the lead issues. Shooting accurately with a dust mask on is kind of weird but you might want to consider it for the near future.

Best of luck and I hope the DR. gives you some good news.
 
I sure don't KNOW how you got the lead up but I seriously doubt it was from tumbling, there is precious little lead in primers and only trace amounts remain in the case after firing so there simply isn't much to get into the tumbler media. And, considering all the gov. reg.s for ventalating indoor ranges it's unlikely shooting did it either.

I suspect your elevated lead comes from another source.
 
I always empty my tumbler outside and wear a dust mask. I don't wear gloves but I am maniacal about NOT touching my face and washing my hands after any time I handle any ammo or component.
 
Okay. Let me premise this with "I know squat about reloading" but I do know a lot about containing air born particulates.

I got to ask a couple of things.

Where do you do your tumbling and what are you tumbling? If you're reloading set up is in the basement or the garage, getting rid of the air born particulates is easy. Go to your local big box hardware store and pick up an inexpensive kitchen out door venting range hood. Mount it over the work bench where your tumbler is. Get your self some lexan and attach it to the side lip of the hood on both the right and left side of the hood so that the lexan bottom edge is sitting on the bench and top edge is connected to the hood. Run a flex hose to the outside wall where you have already punched a hole and mounted a through the wall dryer vent. Or connect the hood to a shop vac that uses a HEPA filter to filter the exhaust air.

You might also consider a wet tumbler. More expensive and not widely used in reloading I think, but you can pick up a small bench top wet tumbler from a hobby machine shop equipment supplier. Tumbling your brass wet will trap the dust that comes off it. Or you can get the closed dry type that has a lid to cover it and have a shop vac ready when you go to dump the tumbler.

What are the numbers you're giving us? I found this article you might want to read from the CDC http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20050526/cdc-dangerous-blood-lead-levels-down. It pertains mainly to children but it brings up the home environment. How old is your home? What kind of paint are you exposed to?

Some time ago I changed over to totally enclosed ammunition for use on the indoor range because of the lead issues. Shooting accurately with a dust mask on is kind of weird but you might want to consider it for the near future.

Best of luck and I hope the DR. gives you some good news.
thanks,you seem to be very handy .I cant put a nail into a board without bending it but I can shoot if the lead doesn't get me. I read that article and found it interesting as they said vitamin c and calcium were helpful, vitamin c was mentioned by .another member1KPerDay.All I can say is thanks for your help and being a new member to the forum I do appreciate all the time members put into trying to help another member.
 
This is the main reason I have not switched to lead. It's worth the extra $40 to keep my kids safe. When I tumble I use dryer sheets and lay a dry rag then a wet rag over my tumbler. I have a hampster cage fan that sets at my shop door while tumbling if I'm in there with it. Is there a way to check lead levels in your reloading area?
 
This and allergies is why I went straight to the stainless steel media (wet) tumbling when I began reloading a little over a year ago.

My blood tested at 2 a couple of months ago; it was the first lead test for me. Did it out of curiosity.
 
I sure don't KNOW how you got the lead up but I seriously doubt it was from tumbling, there is precious little lead in primers and only trace amounts remain in the case after firing so there simply isn't much to get into the tumbler media. And, considering all the gov. reg.s for ventalating indoor ranges it's unlikely shooting did it either.

I suspect your elevated lead comes from another source.
I'm with ranger on this issue.
 
I am beginning to think, based on ancedotal evidence like yours, that indoor ranges are toxic lead dumps. More and more people report high lead content in their blood after shooting in indoor ranges.

This article is interesting.

RISKS OF LEAD POISONING IN FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS AND THEIR STUDENTS
by Anthony M. Gregory, Copyright 1990 by THE ASLET JOURNAL, March/April 1990 Volume 4 Issue 2

Go here to read it http://www.utexas.edu/safety/ehs/msds/lead.html

I called the EPA lead hot line, looking for lead numbers. I wanted to know how much lead was in the air above lead casting pots, the lead mg/m3 in air from primers at a shooting range. Did not get that, instead they sent me this, which does not have measured data, etc.

Thank you for contacting the National Lead Information Center concerning lead safety concerns and safety measures related to firing ranges.

Virtually all ranges mandate both ear and eye protection. Yet very few instructors or ranges require any precautions against lead poisoning, which would indicate that it is not perceived as a serious threat. If you are shooting cast lead bullets, part of this lead is in the form of microscopic particles sheared from the bullet as it passes down the barrel. Lead is also vaporized from the base of cast and partially jacketed bullets by the hot gases of the burning gunpowder. Down range, the bullet impacting on the armor plate emits a spray of fine lead particles. More importantly, the chemical commonly used in most primers is lead styphnate. Detonating the primer discharges a cloud of molecular lead compounds. So the air in a shooting range-even an extremely well ventilated range-tends to contain a lot of lead, both as a dust and a gas It settles in large amounts on the floor, and on other horizontal surfaces as well.

The powder residue you get all over your hands also contains a lot of lead. If you eat with this residue still on your hands, you will contaminate your food with a significant amount of lead. You can also contaminate your food with residue from around your mouth, particularly if you have a mustache. While you are on the range, your breathing concentrates lead around your nose and upper lip, and a mustache will act as a filter to trap the particles and gases.

If you have small children, it is also important to realize that you can carry lead residue home, and contaminate your living quarters or car. You will get the dust on your shoes, on your clothes, on your shooting gear, in your hair It will then be tracked in an settle out on the floor of your home.

Exclusive use of jacketed bullets can prevent much of the lead contamination on ranges. This is much more expensive than using cast-lead reloads, and it may be impossible to arrange or enforce on many ranges. Furthermore, this still leaves the lead from the primer and from the down range impact spray. Over the past few years, most of the major manufacturers have developed lead free primers, as well as totally jacketed bullets or totally lead free (solid copper) bullets. So totally lead free ammunition is now available which will prevent lead contamination all together. Some police ranges have opted for this. However, because this ammunition is significantly more expensive, and lead free primers tend not to be as reliable as lead styphnate primers, it is not in common use.

What to do before leaving the firing range?
When you leave the range, blow your nose, and wash your hands and face immediately with cold soapy water. The cold water closes the pores of your skin, and prevents you washing lead particles into the pores. Thoroughly cleanse the facial area around your mouth, particularly if you have a mustache or beard. Wash your hands and face before you eat anything, and before you smoke. Try to wear an outer garment like a jumpsuit or coverall that you can either have washed after each range session, or leave in your locker. This will prevent you from carrying the lead dust on your clothing into your car and home. Likewise, have a pair of shoes you change out of after you get off the range. If you do go home wearing the same outer clothes you wore on the range, change out of them immediately, and put them in the washer. Washing one’s hair before bedtime is also a good idea, because your hair can hold a lot of dust, and you will transfer it to your pillow every night.

EPA Region two came up with a list of best practices which can be found at http://www.epa.gov/region02/waste/leadshot/ .

For further information there are a number of informational documents available on our website (www.epa.gov/lead). If you have any further questions please feel free to contact us at 1-800-424-LEAD.
Sincerely,
 
I called the EPA lead hot line, looking for lead numbers. I wanted to know how much lead was in the air above lead casting pots, the lead mg/m3 in air from primers at a shooting range. Did not get that, instead they sent me this, which does not have measured data, etc.

Check out post # 23 at this link for info regarding lead vapors over the pot.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=143533&page=2
 
Great thread gentlemen. This information is greatly appreciated. I never gave it a thoguht about tracking lead into my home or vehicle after a day at the range. I mainly shoot outdoors, but that doesnt prevent the immediate area around me. I will be changing shoes and wearing and overgarment and designate a "only use at range hat" to take off before enertering the vehicle.
B.B.
 
http://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_v/otm_v_3.html

The current OSHA standard (29 CFR 1926.62) for lead exposure in construction has a permissible exposure limit (PEL) of 50 micrograms per cubic meter of air (50 µg/m3), measured as an 8-hour time-weighted average (TWA). As with all OSHA health standards, when the PEL is exceeded, the hierarchy of controls requires employers to institute feasible engineering and work practice controls as the primary means to reduce and maintain employee exposures to levels at or below the PEL. When all feasible engineering and work practice controls have been implemented but have proven inadequate to meet the PEL, employers must nonetheless implement these controls and must supplement them with appropriate respiratory protection. The employer also must ensure that employees wear the respiratory protection provided when it is required.

I disagree with MTgun44 over lead content over casting pots. His analysis is not rigorous enough to take seriously.

Spudgunr at castbooltis calculated, based on vapor pressure, the amount of lead in the air above a casting pot.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=75964


But I wanted real time data over our 20 pound casting pots, not over industrial processes, such as measured in a 1969 report. To convert mg to microgram multiply by 1000.

LeadConcentrationsoverleadpots.jpg

LeadConcentrations.jpg

I have not found measurements, either from Lyman, EPA.
 
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I shoot indoors, outdoors, cast my own bullets indoors, tumble my brass indoors. I don't pay any attention to what shoes I wear or hat or gloves, I do not wear gloves of any kind when reloading. I've been doing this since the 60's. My lead #'s run 4 to 6 normally, I am tested now twice a year.

I'm 68 and not going to worry about it.

To the orginal OP you may also look into dishes you use. Those numbers seem awful high.
 
Unless they are giving you chelating agents like E.D.T.A. your blood levels won't go down. Assuming they don't, if your levels go down then the test results are B.S. / faulty / suspect. Heavy metals don't go down significantly from your blood or body on their own; this is a fact and not internet hype, speculation, or conjecture. Human bodies are not geared to getting rid of heavy metals on their own...heavy metal poisoning is a chronic condition. A little netseaching wil produce lots of results from reputable sources.
Got a reference for any of that?
 
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