BMF/ Bumpfire/ activators..

[Redlg155]

Just wondering. Do you think BMF and Bumpfire triggers are unsafe? Would you be ok with the shooter in the next lane using one?


On another note, I saw an article today advertising the BMF trigger activators. It is an attachment to the trigger guard that pulls the trigger 4 times for each revolution. Would it be legal for someone to hook a cordless drill to the handle to bump the speed? Just wondering

 

[PJSprog]

I've never used a bumpfire device, but I have one of those little spring-operated trigger guard attachments that puts a small lever behind the trigger. Works on the same principal. I got it for my AK back in the late '80s. You have to have a pretty solid grip on the gun to get them to work right. I wouldn't have a problem if someone next to me had one. I they do get it to work right, they'll eat a lot of ammo fast and won't be there long anyway.

I don't believe you can legally mechanize any of those devices, though.

 

[Sam1911]

There are now lots of different rapid-fire devices available, from the old BMF activator to slide-fire stocks and positive-reset trigger groups. Just like with any firearm, how safe they are depends entirely on the operator.

It used to be that the "bumpfire" concept had a lot of justifiable antagonism, as it was linked to the old concept of firing from the hip with your thumb through the trigger guard, hooked into a belt loop.

Nowadays these devices generally work very well with aimed fire, from the shoulder, and CAN be used to make fast hits accurately, with some practice.

One positive thing about all of these that's a little different from real full-autos is that when they malfunction, they STOP. If you cease putting forward pressure against the stock, or holding the grip just so, it stops running. Many full autos have the possibility of going "cyclic" when something breaks, leaving you just along for the ride until the mag's empty. So there's at least one solid reason that the new "simulated full auto" stuff is safer.

 

[Walt622]

Just wondering. Do you think BMF and Bumpfire triggers are unsafe? Would you be ok with the shooter in the next lane using one?


On another note, I saw an article today advertising the BMF trigger activators. It is an attachment to the trigger guard that pulls the trigger 4 times for each revolution. Would it be legal for someone to hook a cordless drill to the handle to bump the speed? Just wondering

The addition of a cordless drill or other type of motor, wind up device, etc., would create an automatic weapon. Not advisable!

 

[Sam1911]

And yes, Walt and PJS are right! Adding a motor means the switch of the motor is seen as the "trigger" and one operation of the trigger now produces more than one shot. Definitely a machine gun at that point and highly illegal.

 

[Archie]

Mixed feelings...

One. They are legal and for those who feel such things important, are a reasonable way to evade the 1934 NFA tax penalties. Yes, I find the 1934 NFA tax penalties to be unconstitutional and pointless, but that's another discussion.

Two. As Sam said, adding a drill motor or other form of 'constant turner' to the BTF constitutes automatic fire of more than one round for each trigger activation.

Three. I don't think I would feel 'unsafe' with someone on the range with me shooting such a device; but that would largely depend on the shooter. I have felt unsafe with specific persons firing single shot arms. (You've probably met them, or their brother.)

However, since a lot of my rifle practice is either developing accurate loads for a specific rifle, or determining sight settings at specific ranges. Therefore, someone blasting away would probably be annoying and distracting. (Happily I belong to a private range.)

My experience with fully automatic weapons and dealing with hostiles in an urban setting, I find aimed fire to be more effective and less 'complicated' than fully automatic fire. Not to mention I don't have the funds to feed such critters very well.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Do you feel safe next to me when I have an M-16?

The bumpfire is a very distant second to the person firing the rifle. If it's a regular guy getting some kicks, then by all means. If it's a Mexican Mafia member, then I don't like him regardless of device in hand.

 

[Redlg155]

Do you feel safe next to me when I have an M-16?

It depends on the person. I remember one instance at Ft.Stewart, GA in the late 80's. We were lucky enough to get to shoot at an Arial range where they flew remote control airplanes that we tried to shoot down with our then issue M16A1 and M60s. Talk about full auto fun!
One soldier on the firing line had hot brass rain down into the front of his BDUs from the shooter next to him. His reaction caused him to lose control of his weapon and he "stitched" the ground directly to his left almost striking several soldiers. Needless to say his behavior was rectified and he received some positive motivation in behind the connex later that day.

 

[M-Cameron]

On another note, I saw an article today advertising the BMF trigger activators. It is an attachment to the trigger guard that pulls the trigger 4 times for each revolution. Would it be legal for someone to hook a cordless drill to the handle to bump the speed? Just wondering

this is very much illegal.....because the trigger to the firearm becomes the trigger on the drill.......thus your firearm is capable of firing multiple shots with one trigger pull....making it a machine gun.