Geneseo1911
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Especially if it's a cheap one:
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/2009/07/09/burglars_steal_guns_jewelry_in_rural_break-in
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/2009/07/09/burglars_steal_guns_jewelry_in_rural_break-in
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Bolt Down your safe!
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Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Not needed here---have the best watchdog of all--a retired OPD detective living right next door. Home all day.
a1abdj
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I'm 6', 140 pounds, and I could have moved both of those safes myself without even using a dolly.
This is what happens when you use hundreds of dollars worth of safe to protect thousands of dollars worth of assets. I hope the guy had insurance.
BMF500
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My safe is in the 1100 lbs. ball park empty, now it is completely full. I'm 6'3", 245lbs. and I do 2 hour workouts 5 days a week. I can't even slide mine across the carpet unassisted. Any dude (or 2, or 3) that can man handle my safe with out empying the contents, and get it in a truck has my respect.....
MattTheHat
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You can either bolt it down or slather a liberal coating of Crisco all over the floor around it. Either way works. Bolts are probably a cleaner method.
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TxState101
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Most of the Sentry safes weigh less than 300 pounds.
And I can tell you, they're extremely easy to wrestle by yourself.
I did it a lot in the warehouse at Academy.
And I can tell you, they're extremely easy to wrestle by yourself.
I did it a lot in the warehouse at Academy.
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The shipping weight on my door was 1100 pounds. That being said if I had a normal gun safe I would bolt it down certainly good advice
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When ever the topic "which safe to buy" comes up, there's always those that are so proud of themselves for buying a cheap safe and saving money. This story illustrates the fallacy in owning a stamped sheet metal box that someone can carry off.
They're more than welcome to try mine....I'll even buy the refreshments and popcorn for anyone that wants to watch. As an incentive, they can keep the safe and the contents if accomplished in a minute.....but if they fail, I keep all their guns, vehicles, and property.
Vonderek said:
They're more than welcome to try mine....I'll even buy the refreshments and popcorn for anyone that wants to watch. As an incentive, they can keep the safe and the contents if accomplished in a minute.....but if they fail, I keep all their guns, vehicles, and property.
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Yes an unbolted 600 lb safe can be moved in a minute with a bit of equipment and people who know what they are doing.
A medium sized Original safe weighs 3000 pounds empty and are installed every day by safe pros. Usually a couple guys, a truck, and a heavy duty dolly. Probably would take them 10 minutes to remove one that wasn't bolted down. They still will have it out of your house and on their truck while you are at the store buying popcorn.
My point is if you are relying on weight alone as a means of securing a safe to your house I believe your are living with a false sense of security. But it is your house and your guns and belongings, not mine.
I think if one has gone to the time & expense of buying a safe it makes little sense to plop it down and call it good.
A medium sized Original safe weighs 3000 pounds empty and are installed every day by safe pros. Usually a couple guys, a truck, and a heavy duty dolly. Probably would take them 10 minutes to remove one that wasn't bolted down. They still will have it out of your house and on their truck while you are at the store buying popcorn.
My point is if you are relying on weight alone as a means of securing a safe to your house I believe your are living with a false sense of security. But it is your house and your guns and belongings, not mine.
I think if one has gone to the time & expense of buying a safe it makes little sense to plop it down and call it good.
Stirling XD
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When we built our house, we wanted to have a concrete walled safe room poured into the basement. There were problems with doing that. First was the cost. It was about three times more expensive than a quality safe and we would still need to buy a safe door. The safe door itself cost just as much as a quality safe and that didn't include installation. Second, every sub that walked into the house asked, "What's that funny room in the basement?" He was usually answered by another sub, "That's the homeowners gun safe."
Since that was an unusual item for houses in that neighborhood, it was talked about frequently. Not only did just about every sub know about it, but everyone in that neighborhood knew about it. While you couldn't carry it off, someone that knows a little bit about concrete could easy break into it.
It just goes to show you, there are no perfect solutions.
Since that was an unusual item for houses in that neighborhood, it was talked about frequently. Not only did just about every sub know about it, but everyone in that neighborhood knew about it. While you couldn't carry it off, someone that knows a little bit about concrete could easy break into it.
It just goes to show you, there are no perfect solutions.
w_houle
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I usually keep my guns in false bottomed litter box
No doubt a repost, but..........
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=22078516
And, I've seen some of Rembrandt's guns. I have no doubt that his security is above average.
But most gun owners, even with large safes, are definitely vulnerable. The best security is to keep your mouth shut about your collection.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=22078516
And, I've seen some of Rembrandt's guns. I have no doubt that his security is above average.
But most gun owners, even with large safes, are definitely vulnerable. The best security is to keep your mouth shut about your collection.
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I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from bolting a safe down, but even that can be overcome.
The best security is multi-layered. The safe being one part....dogs, motion sensors, false rooms, hidden cameras, electronic security system, alarms, and alligator pits comprising other layers.
The best security is multi-layered. The safe being one part....dogs, motion sensors, false rooms, hidden cameras, electronic security system, alarms, and alligator pits comprising other layers.
Geneseo1911
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Rembrandt said:
indoor or outdoor?
Fresh or saltwater?
I installing a moat; I'm thinking about getting some sharks with friggin' lasers on their heads.
The Lone Haranguer
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Vonderek said:
Agreed, and don't count on the neighbors to notice. Even if they did - especially in a large apartment complex where people move in and out all the time - they would likely chalk it up to legitimate movers, not all of whom have trucks with a company logo. Or they just don't care.
Or offer to help. That said, I did not bolt down my safes. Being rented apartments or houses in which I did not plan to stay long, they were not my property to be drilling holes in. I gambled that most druggies looking for a quick score to buy that day's supply of crack or thieving teenagers would not make the effort.
Dan Forrester
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My friend chuckled when I warned him last month to bolt down his new safe ASAP. Two weeks later it was gone. Now he has a new safe, and yes this time it is bolted down (four ¼’’ tapcons with fender washers).
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The Lone Haranguer
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I have a little Sentry safe, about two feet cubed. For a while it was my only safe. I lined the bottom of it, under the space created between the bottom padded shelf and the floor proper, with about 100 one-pound lead ingots. It could still have been carried off, of course, but they would have had to at least work a little bit.
It could still have been carried off, of course, but they would have had to at least work a little bit. Quilbilly
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I just brought home a Sentry safe about a month ago. I carried (well slid and flipped it end over end) it up to the third floor my myself and that took about an 45 mins. With two guys my safe could probably be gone in 5 mins. Cant wait to move out of this apartment in August so I can bolt this thing down!
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