Bond Arms

aaaaa said:
Okay, all you who want that Bond Arms Cyclops in .45-70, watch someone shoot it here: VIDEO CLIP.
This one is the Alaskan Survival Derringer, chambered in .45-70 upper barrel and .45 Colt/.410 lower barrel:

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I like my 45/410 Bond Arms! The 45-70 is interesting and I want one, because I'm a gun nut idiot!!!!
It would never be carried 😀, but it is still cool!!!!
 
Targa said:
Is that yours aaaaa?
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No, I am too cheap to buy a Cyclops, and I can't shoot it anyway, not if I want to continue shooting handguns. The .45 Colt has been enough of a shock to the wrist and arm in a box of 50. But if I ever stumble on a super deal on a Cyclops or that Alaskan Survival gun, I just might have to get one.
 
My new grips. I wanted wood grips for my Roughneck and this was the best deal I could find. I figure I can darken them a little. What should I use to darken them enough so they don't look so girly?
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aaaaa said:
I want to keep it lighter colored. Also, oil will darken it some. I have a well oiled piece of wood (3-in-1 oil in fact) that is not oily as it all soaked in.
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@Old_Grouch mentioned with the leather dye. If you apply a light coat and wipe it off after a few seconds. It doesn't have a lot of time to penetrate.
You can do the same stain....
 
I did the Bond Arms by side side test today. Much easier to test two different barrels when you have two guns (both with the small grips) and don't have to monkey with a barrel change. But I screwed up and shot the Cavalry 180 grain LFN .45 Colt against the S&B 230 grain .45 ACP. I was supposed to use the 225 grain Federal American Eagle Jacketed lead flat nose in that compare, so my results for the .45s are skewed towards the ACP right now. I am going back, hopefully in a couple days, to do it with the American Eagles so we are yet to see if the ACP or the Colts have more kick when the bullet grains are much closer (230 and 225).

The .357 Magnum 158 grain Federal American Eagle was brutal vs the S&B 230 grain .45 ACP.

The Cavalry 124 grain FMJ 9mm had more punch than the 130 grain Winchester White Box flat nose FMJ .38 Special.

Nothing was +p either.

How I noted it at the range:

.45 ACP 230gr > .45 Colt 180 gr
.357 Magnum >> .45 ACP
9mm > .38 Special

I only shot about 16 rounds or so of the .357 and .45s but that was enough to make my hand sore for a while.

Also ran the Bearman .22 LR Derringer for 50 rounds of Winchester Wildcats. I got 4 or 5 misfires which seems a bit too much to blame only on the ammo. So I should have noted which barrel had the misfire each time. But when I go back I will run another 50 Wildcats and will note the barrel each time I get a misfire. I need to know if it is always the same barrel, then we have a warranty issue.

EDIT: I just got curious and so emptied 10 rounds of Winchester JHP .22s to shoot the primers and see if any didn't fire. Out of the 10 only two misfires, both times the top barrel, the one that the firing pin sticks out more, so my suspicion that the lower barrel was the problem is allayed for now. Still if I do the 50 more live rounds it will be a better test just by sheer force of numbers.

I also learned that spent cases do not make the best dummies as they fit too snugly, where the cases that I pulled the bullets and empied the powder from go in easy.
 
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aaaaa said:
I did the Bond Arms by side side test today. Much easier to test two different barrels when you have two guns (both with the small grips) and don't have to monkey with a barrel change. But I screwed up and shot the Cavalry 180 grain LFN .45 Colt against the S&B 230 grain .45 ACP. I was supposed to use the 225 grain Federal American Eagle Jacketed lead flat nose in that compare, so my results for the .45s are skewed towards the ACP right now. I am going back, hopefully in a couple days, to do it with the American Eagles so we are yet to see if the ACP or the Colts have more kick when the bullet grains are much closer (230 and 225).

The .357 Magnum 158 grain Federal American Eagle was brutal vs the S&B 230 grain .45 ACP.

The Cavalry 124 grain FMJ 9mm had more punch than the 130 grain Winchester White Box flat nose FMJ .38 Special.

Nothing was +p either.

How I noted it at the range:

.45 ACP 230gr > .45 Colt 180 gr
.357 Magnum >> .45 ACP
9mm > .38 Special
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So to update. I just hit the range and did a compare between these two .45 cartridges:
American Eagle 230 grain 45 AUTO FMJ
American Eagle 225 grain .45 Colt Jacketed Soft Point
I honestly have to say that these two are pretty equal as far as how it felt to shoot them. I ran 6 rounds of each alternating between the .45 ACP Roughneck and the .45 Colt Rowdy, both with 3" barrels and the tiny grips, so identical guns. at the end I ran two of the S&B 45 AUTO against the American Eagle Colts and they were pretty close too. So my new chart is this:

.45 ACP 230gr ~= .45 Colt 225 gr
.357 Magnum >> .45 ACP
9mm > .38 Special

So my arm, elbow, and heel of the hand were hurting from last Tuesdays session with these .45s (and the brutal .357). Now it is even worse.
 
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aaaaa said:
.45 ACP 230gr ~= .45 Colt 225 gr
.357 Magnum >> .45 ACP
9mm > .38 Special
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The above relations are from my August range trip. I would love to compare the .357 Magnum with the .44 Magnum, but no plans to buy a .44 Magnum barrel. Plus I just divested myself of the Roughneck 9mm and the Rawhide .22LR by having a FFL send them to my son's FFL in another state, so they are his now. I'll get my 3" .45/.410 barrel to him later. That leaves me with the following:

Rowdy frame
4.25" .45/.410 barrel
3" .45 ACP barrel
3" .30 Carbine barrel
3" .38/.357 barrel

I think I am pretty well set. Plus I have the Bareman .22LR derringer and the recently acquired High Standard .22 Mag derringer. If anything, I am inclinded to get another derringer of a different kind than i already have, if one turns up at the gun shop.
 
Here are some comparative numbers, though from rifle data. Looks like the .44 Magnum would be a lot heftier than the .357. I have no interest in either Cyclops barrel (.44 Mag or .45-70 Gvt.). Of course bullet weight would be a major factor in the increased recoil. The other being the powder load and resultant pressure. My only mistake is not getting the .38 Special only barrel, but I wanted so badly to try out the .357. Might be I should add a .44 Special barrel if I see a deal on one.
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Data source:
 
If you carry the Bond for SD do you carry cocked and locked? As I recall, Bond recommends against that (of course legally I guess they have to). Otherwise, it would be nice if Bond could develop a DA version that would really be ready for SD in an instant. I guess cocking a hammer is not as bad as racking a slide (for condition 3 carry) where one could also get a jam. Yep, the High Standard, but for the minimalist grip (half a finger is it), and in a larger caliber, would be much better for SD carry. Still, love the built-like-a-tank Bond.
 
Can get a Bond barrel in .44-40. Seems that would be similar to .30 Carbine for recoil. Might be fun to get the .44-40 just because it is so different.
 
Found a Stinger, aluminum framed version in 38SPC at Bucksnorts which I had been looking for a long time. Bucksnorts were great to order from and they had a great price with free shipping, no tax, and new card fee, happy with the gun.

Plus, Bond has a rebate going now which got me another $50 off. Real happy with that. And, Bond themselves seem to handle the rebate so I got confirmation the next day that it was good to go and I should have the $50 in 10 days or so.

Now, I hope they make 327 (or even 32 mag) barrels for the Stinger down the road. I don't think they can go bigger than 9/38 IIRC from a video I saw from shot, which I am fine with, really fine if 38 is the way it stays as that was my first choice in this narrow/light frame.
 
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aaaaa said:
Can get a Bond barrel in .44-40. Seems that would be similar to .30 Carbine for recoil. Might be fun to get the .44-40 just because it is so different.
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Well it seems that I may as well get a .44 Special barrel for all it's worth. The .44 Special is nearly the same size as the .44-40 and a bit more pressure but still mild shooing and I already have the ammo. Probably find the barrel easier too.
 
aaaaa said:
Well it seems that I may as well get a .44 Special barrel for all it's worth. The .44 Special is nearly the same size as the .44-40 and a bit more pressure but still mild shooing and I already have the ammo. Probably find the barrel easier too.
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The first two cartridges that came to mind when you mentioned 44-40, were 45 colt and 44 special.
 
Great deals below. I just bought a .44 Special barrel from this company and they shipped and delivered fast.

.44 Magnum Cyclops for $482 !
www.shootingsurplus.com

Bond Arms Cyclops Handgun .44 Mag Single Shot 4.25" Barrel Silver With Black Grip BACY-44MAG 855959006067

BOND CYCLOPS 44MAG 4.25' RS
www.shootingsurplus.com

.45-70 Cyclops for $525!
www.shootingsurplus.com

Bond Arms Bacy Cyclops 45-70 Gov 1Rd Shot 4.25" Stainless Stainless Steel Barrel Matte Stainless Black Extended B6 Resin Grips BACY-45-70 855959009655

BOND CYCLOPS 45-70 4.25" STS EXT GRP
www.shootingsurplus.com

Also great deal on a .22 Stinger about $100 off:
www.shootingsurplus.com

Bond Arms Basl Stinger 22 LR 2Rd, 3" Double Stainless Steel Barrel BASL-22LR 855959007408

BOND ARMS STINGER DERR 9MM 3B ALUM
www.shootingsurplus.com

They have other deals, just have to page through searches for the best deals.
 
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aaaaa said:
Great deals below. I just bought a .44 Special barrel from this company and they shipped and delivered fast.

.44 Magnum Cyclops for $482 !
www.shootingsurplus.com

Bond Arms Cyclops Handgun .44 Mag Single Shot 4.25" Barrel Silver With Black Grip BACY-44MAG 855959006067

BOND CYCLOPS 44MAG 4.25' RS
www.shootingsurplus.com

.45-70 Cyclops for $525!
www.shootingsurplus.com

Bond Arms Bacy Cyclops 45-70 Gov 1Rd Shot 4.25" Stainless Stainless Steel Barrel Matte Stainless Black Extended B6 Resin Grips BACY-45-70 855959009655

BOND CYCLOPS 45-70 4.25" STS EXT GRP
www.shootingsurplus.com

Also great deal on a .22 Stinger about $100 off:
www.shootingsurplus.com

Bond Arms Basl Stinger 22 LR 2Rd, 3" Double Stainless Steel Barrel BASL-22LR 855959007408

BOND ARMS STINGER DERR 9MM 3B ALUM
www.shootingsurplus.com

They have other deals, just have to page through searches for the best deals.
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Odd, says their store is closed now. Did you get your barrel?

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Ohen Cepel said:
Odd, says their store is closed now. Did you get your barrel?
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Yes I got my barrel. Ordered it Sunday evening and it was at my house Thursday. I was at first hesitant after looking up reviews and BBB, but then saw someone else on TheHighRoad got their stuff a couple years ago, so ordered.

shootingsurplus.com

Anyone buy from them? They seem to have good prices on magazines.
www.thehighroad.org
I did see on their listings that things come from warehouses, so that may explain why the poster got it from a different state than the company is in.

Strange you got a closed message. I just pulled it up and get this:
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