Booted from Facebook by GCA's. Kinda laughing about it.

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A reminder about this story:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...gered-a-visit-from-nj-police-family-services/

In short, a photo of a boy holding a .22 AR-15 is posted on Facebook by his father. Someone calls social services, and the family get a visit by them, backed up by the local police.
Yeah with an LEO owning the truck in the background, it would go over well I'm sure. But if it happens, it happens. I will not hide from it. My sig kinda says it. My kids agree, so let them come. I won't fight (wouldn't help) just take a good video. I would get them back and raise hell afterwards with the dept.
 
I'm farther to the Right than Pat Buchanan, Charles Lindbergh, and Patrick Henry, and FB has yet to chide me for my extremism. I guess because I don't go on leftist pages and raise a ruckus very much. However, many of the pages I "like" have been banned numerous times.
 
This was my background pic for a while. But, I figured, if they didn't like the guns, oh well, they can go elsewhere. I did have some family and friends comment on it.
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I actually don't FB too much. My wife is on it more.
 
I post gun related stuff all the time, and have for years with no problems at all. The great thing about Facebook is it gives me the option of who to be "friends" with and interact with. Why in the world would I even know or get involved with anti gun associations on there? I interact with people I actually know.
 
Facebook locked me out for posting something anti Obama. I quit and haven't looked back. Screw them. They are working with Obama to keep tabs on anyone that disagrees with him. They are the Obama Gestapo.
 
My family all has FB pages and they are covered with photos of friends and family shooting guns. I've never heard anything from anyone about the photos.

I have had some VERY lively discussions with FB "friends" regarding gun control. Much of this was during the Zimmerman trial when the clueless people were out in force. I always jump in and comment when my friends post anti-gun comments. It's one of my favorite things to argue about.
 
I took down all my firearm related photos off FB. I know they are still *floating* around somewhere but at least not *publicly* so that makes me feel better.
 
I have a FB account...but rarely visit it. My wife is all about FB, and our son has one, too. I just don't have time to mess around with all the social stuff on that site with everything else I do.

I don't have a pic of myself on there, nor anything involving my family either. Maybe I'm just overly conservative/cautious about this.


With respect to the father/son in NJ who had their state social services tipped because of the picture of his son with a gun, nothing came of that because the guy stood his ground, contacted his lawyer, and basically told them to bugger off when they wanted to look in his gun. They never returned with any warrants because there was nothing found to be wrong with which they could have gotten a warrant issued for.

A royal pain in the keister, to be sure, but that's the end of it.

Don't get me wrong...you would be hard pressed to find anybody who dislikes child social services more than I. However, they have a real job to do (because there ARE children who need this serice) and they HAVE to investigate reports. I imagine that, more so than police responses to domestic dispute reports, there is quite a dread to having to respond to such calls. They HAVE to investigate if only to find out what the story is.


And before anybody else decides to blast me for my opinion on this matter, don't bother. I understand what CPS is for, I understand that some people abuse the system, and I understand that by nature they're going to be extremely liberal politically. But there will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of and abuse a system for their own purposes. The REAL people at fault here are those who make false reports.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
and before anybody else decides to blast me for my opinion on this matter, don't bother. I understand what CPS is for, I understand that some people abuse the system, and I understand that by nature they're going to be extremely liberal politically. But there will ALWAYS be people who will take advantage of and abuse a system for their own purposes. The REAL people at fault here are those who make false reports.

No argument from me. I once lived in a place where children were victimized with alarming regularity. Anything that can protect them, I'm all for it.
But protecting them from responsible citizens who legally exercise their rights... that, I'm not such a fan of.
 
Well, to round out the humor of the day, I took my oldest out hunting with one of her black rifles and one of mine. She turned down two shots she wasn't confident in (I think she could have easily taken either of them). Meanwhile, I used the LR-308 she is using in the pic I posted to take one at 200yds. I wish she had gotten one instead, but just sitting in the stand whispering about mundane things is time better spent than anything I can imagine.

I shoot and hunt with both my daughters. My younger daughter took a doe both her first time out with a shotgun and this year her first time out with a muzzleloader. My oldest has taken deer with rifle, bow, and shotgun. My boy will get his first crack at it next year when he is 8.

I wonder what these safety loving, fear everything people (GCA's) would do about both my girls already owning motorcycles? Much more dangerous than a gun in my mind.
 
Personally I would NEVER give some commie organization like FB the power to embarrass me in front of my friends and family. I won't give them my work either. I avoid them by never joining them. That organization will end badly, mark my words. Any time you give control to a bunch of fickle kids (and that's who runs that show) it will end up that way. I nearly lost my job when my first ISP booted me for posting info they didn't like. I only pointed out that their usenet server didn't carry all the newsgroups. They banned me for that. I was getting called to work through email at the time and I nearly missed those calls for a while and that would have been downright bad for my job.

I've also found that even people I've known my whole life and should know better will fall victim to the herd mentality about guns. My cousin posted some stuff about banning AR's after Sandy Hook and it showed up on my wife's FB page (I warned her she would end up being sorry about signing up but she has her own mind and took the bait of being able to contact friends and family every day and all at once). I posted a response to his post using my wife's account (the only time I've ever used FB in any way - I just wanted my good friend to think for a minute). Well not only did he not want to listen but he did the standard gun grabber move of accusing me of being insensitive to the deaths of those children. He had argued that no one needed the kind of firepower the AR gives them and I had pointed out that even more powerful guns had been around and in use for over half a century (like the M1) and he reacted like a typical gun grabber in the face of actual facts - he went ballistic, banned my wife from his page, and spouted all sorts of hateful garbage about me. This while all along I had been telling him how much he mattered to me and how I learned many of my views on guns from his mother (who was a teacher of mine and a darn good one). Maybe that didn't set too well with him. I don't know. It's pretty hard to argue with someone who sat down on a bar stool and figured out the world with a good buddy (translation he got drunk and talked smack with another drunk). He was dead on convinced that "assault rifles" would be banned too. I wonder how he felt when that went down in flames. I do hope he gets it together and starts thinking like his dad would have thought (I went frogging with his dad hundreds of times literally). I knew his dad well. He was best friends with my uncle and our family had huge parties that lasted 3 days where frog legs were the only thing on the menu that resembled meat. He was a country guy and he often carried a gun on our frogging trips.

So facecrook is nothing I want to be associated with. They will definitely try to control the agenda. Power corrupts and they want to push PC values wherever they can. No thank you. I can contact my friends and family any time I want and I don't need their help.
 
Ah good ol socialist media. I joined too, before I thought it through. I was like 15....big mistake now at 18. A few things tho,
1.they have "ghost" profiles of people who have never joined, they start building before you sign up.
2.Nothing will ever be removed from their database
3.They keep detailed logs.
4.They know alot more about you then you would want, every private message, every page/thing viewed. They have your address books from you email (imagine my surprise to have peoples numbers I lost 2 years ago because I deleted that email account) and anymessage in your email contact list is automatically added to fb
5.They keep your log on time and log off times aswell as your IP address from that location.

Click account settings and you will see "download a copy of your facebook data" its really enlightining. My cousin now 24-25 created his fb when it first came out (14 I think?) and they still have everything on him. Every message, every like, every poke, every view. EVERY PHONE NUMBER AND ADDRESS.

I find it sad you people are kicked off facebook because you post a few things about guns and some liberal reports you. I have posted MUCH MUCH worse on fb that I can guarantee violated there T&C and have never been blocked or jailed (had my content forcibly removed tho)

The things that I have said in messages and satus updates along with comments could put me in a very very very deep hole. You would need a planet twice the size of earth to burry me deep enough.

Also why I'm against mental health being evaluated for ccw or the right to own a gun. I could easily be misunderstood and diagnosed a psychopath/scitzo/mentally insane. My fb page was my dark outlet everything horrible/sick/twisted/funny was posted onto it, be it comments or photos.
 
I knew that when my friend signed me up, and keep it in mind allot. After all, I have a TS Clearance to think about. So I might not be able to like or share everything I would prefer to because I know big bro is watching, and my job hangs in the balance. A little restraint is good advice for anyone posting on public forums/sites.
 
Social Media, ah yes. Is Big Brother Watching ? You damn well bet, even this one !..............
 
Sentryau2 you are exactly right about how they collect and store information. It's no wonder the NSA wants to use their data. They do a better job of collecting it. The worst is when they collect info on people who didn't sign any agreement with them. That should be illegal but the gubmit has embraced the whole mess.

IMO FB is nothing but evil. They lure people in with a few perks like being able to connect to family and friends all at once but then they dig into your life far more and they dig into the lives of everyone they find in your contacts and email. They are sheer evil. People have asked me why I don't sign up and I tell them I'd just as soon not make a deal with the devil. Think about the info they have on you just from what you post. Then think about them reading the cookies on your computer and going through your contacts list. It's insidious to the extreme.
 
Facebook locked me out for posting something anti Obama. I quit and haven't looked back. Screw them. They are working with Obama to keep tabs on anyone that disagrees with him. They are the Obama Gestapo.

I'm not saying the gov doesn't look at your social media profiles if they are investigating or suspecting you of something but the idea that FB is secretly working with the government to keep people from posting negative things about Obama is absurd. Take a look at these FB pages and explain them, if FB is so against everyone who doesnt' love Obama.

https://www.facebook.com/ObamaTheWorstPresident
https://www.facebook.com/ConservativesAgainstObamasLiberalAgenda
https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Still-Hate-Obama/225055934197768
https://www.facebook.com/pages/OBAMA-SUCKS/311620218335?sk=photos
 
Ah good ol socialist media. I joined too, before I thought it through. I was like 15....big mistake now at 18. A few things tho,
1.they have "ghost" profiles of people who have never joined, they start building before you sign up.
2.Nothing will ever be removed from their database
3.They keep detailed logs.
4.They know alot more about you then you would want, every private message, every page/thing viewed. They have your address books from you email (imagine my surprise to have peoples numbers I lost 2 years ago because I deleted that email account) and anymessage in your email contact list is automatically added to fb
5.They keep your log on time and log off times aswell as your IP address from that location.

Click account settings and you will see "download a copy of your facebook data" its really enlightining. My cousin now 24-25 created his fb when it first came out (14 I think?) and they still have everything on him. Every message, every like, every poke, every view. EVERY PHONE NUMBER AND ADDRESS.
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Also why I'm against mental health being evaluated for ccw or the right to own a gun. I could easily be misunderstood and diagnosed a psychopath/scitzo/mentally insane. My fb page was my dark outlet everything horrible/sick/twisted/funny was posted onto it, be it comments or photos.

I'm not understanding your surprise here. At the age of 18, you have been literally conceived and raised in the internet age. THIS IS HOW THE INTERNET WORKS. Especially social networking sites.

It's kinda difficult to be a social network if they delete information about their members.

1. "Ghost profiles." WHERE is this accusation made and justified? The best I've found are references like this: "He also suspected of creating Facebook “ghost profiles”, which collect information on people who have not created accounts, without having said." An unsubstantiated suspicion is not proof.

Source: http://www.dailytechnician.info/fac...deleted-data-and-creating-ghost-profiles-2961

2. "Nothing will ever be removed from their database." First of all, anybody who posts something on the internet without understanding the the entire network functions through various redundant systems, let alone specific servers in use for sites like Facebook (and THR), has a serious deficiency in their understanding. And read their statement of rights and responsibilities. FB clearly says "When you delete IP content, it is deleted in a manner similar to emptying the recycle bin on a computer. However, you understand that removed content may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time (but will not be available to others)."

3. "They keep detailed logs." Why yes...yes they do. This is how networks and servers work. It's how they know where to find the data people post. It's integral to how the system communicates and functions.

4. "They know alot more about you then you would want, every private message, every page/thing viewed." Then quit posting things you don't want people to know about. In today's day and age, people get nervous about posting their name, address, and phone number...yet we did this for decades via telephone books. A social network isn't much of a social network if people can't post all kinds of social networking stuff, so of COURSE they know all this stuff...because people are POSTING it.

5. "They keep your log on time and log off times aswell as your IP address from that location." News flash here...THR is doing the same thing. And your banking websites. And your email sites. And your school sites. In fact EVERY site does this...again, because this is how the system WORKS. If it didn't know your IP address, then you wouldn't be able to post and receive information from the site.


If I seem harsh here, I apologize. The stuff you posted isn't unique to you, so don't think my response is all about you. It's actually all about a lot of other people who bring up these things who evidently don't understand the very basics about how networks function in order to communicate, transmit and store data, provide functional reliability and redundancy, and synch together properly to do all this.


BOTTOM LINE:

If you don't want certain information to be posted, then take the care required to see to it that it's not posted...and work to remedy it if something DOES get posted that you don't want.
 
If you're worried about .gov being able to see what you post, why are you posting here?

And honestly, I've sent a lot of letters to reps and senators about a lot of things over the years. I bought a roll of stamps last time and made it a point to burn them all up sending real letters in against more gun control. I have no idea if they're on file or not, but someone from the government has already read my opinion about the Second Amendment, same-sex marriage, Obamacare... lots of stuff. And I sent it to them. For our system to work, I have to stand tall and tell the people we elect what I think.

You can't participate in our form of government if you're scared of what will happen when your thoughts get out.

Be a participant.
 
Well, I do not know about all that above, but I follow all the NCAA rifle teams thru facebook.
Ole Miss is my favorite #hotty totty.
 
I'm not understanding your surprise here. At the age of 18, you have been literally conceived and raised in the internet age. THIS IS HOW THE INTERNET WORKS. Especially social networking sites.

It's kinda difficult to be a social network if they delete information about their members.

1. "Ghost profiles." WHERE is this accusation made and justified? The best I've found are references like this: "He also suspected of creating Facebook “ghost profiles”, which collect information on people who have not created accounts, without having said." An unsubstantiated suspicion is not proof.

Source: http://www.dailytechnician.info/fac...deleted-data-and-creating-ghost-profiles-2961

2. "Nothing will ever be removed from their database." First of all, anybody who posts something on the internet without understanding the the entire network functions through various redundant systems, let alone specific servers in use for sites like Facebook (and THR), has a serious deficiency in their understanding. And read their statement of rights and responsibilities. FB clearly says "When you delete IP content, it is deleted in a manner similar to emptying the recycle bin on a computer. However, you understand that removed content may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time (but will not be available to others)."

3. "They keep detailed logs." Why yes...yes they do. This is how networks and servers work. It's how they know where to find the data people post. It's integral to how the system communicates and functions.

4. "They know alot more about you then you would want, every private message, every page/thing viewed." Then quit posting things you don't want people to know about. In today's day and age, people get nervous about posting their name, address, and phone number...yet we did this for decades via telephone books. A social network isn't much of a social network if people can't post all kinds of social networking stuff, so of COURSE they know all this stuff...because people are POSTING it.

5. "They keep your log on time and log off times aswell as your IP address from that location." News flash here...THR is doing the same thing. And your banking websites. And your email sites. And your school sites. In fact EVERY site does this...again, because this is how the system WORKS. If it didn't know your IP address, then you wouldn't be able to post and receive information from the site.


If I seem harsh here, I apologize. The stuff you posted isn't unique to you, so don't think my response is all about you. It's actually all about a lot of other people who bring up these things who evidently don't understand the very basics about how networks function in order to communicate, transmit and store data, provide functional reliability and redundancy, and synch together properly to do all this.


BOTTOM LINE:

If you don't want certain information to be posted, then take the care required to see to it that it's not posted...and work to remedy it if something DOES get posted that you don't want.
I have to agree with the message behind this. It makes sense to make public only those things you want known.
 
I checked my list of important things in my life. Getting banned or booted from FaceBook isn't on the list.

The only thing I use FB for is keeping active with an old High School group. Never even had a profile picture till recently and went with a pic of me and one of my rifles. :)

Anyway, if I manage to ever draw the wrath of FB for anything and get booted I doubt I'll lose any sleep over it.

Ron
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
"Ghost profiles." WHERE is this accusation made and justified?

from:
http://www.zdnet.com/anger-mounts-after-facebooks-shadow-profiles-leak-in-bug-7000017167/

"Friday Facebook announced the fix of a bug it said inadvertently exposed the private information of over six million users when Facebook's previously unknown shadow profiles accidentally merged with user accounts in data history record requests.

According to Reuters, the data leak spanned a year beginning in 2012.

The personal information leaked by the bug is information that had not been given to Facebook by the users - it is data Facebook has been compiling on its users behind closed doors, without their consent.

A growing number of Facebook users are furious and demand to know who saw private information they had expressly not given to Facebook."


ZDNet is hardly a fly by night blogger posting from his mom's basement. They are the biggest publisher of computer related magazines and have been for a very long time. They aren't in the habit of publishing unfounded accusations.

Read what it says. Facebook accidentally mixed ghost profile data in with other data that was then distributed by accident to users. It was data they had no permission to gather and it came from the personal data files of their users which Facebook accessed and used to gather data on non-Facebook people.

This was the nexus for the entire ghost profile scandal. It didn't appear out of thin air. There is evidence of it. Facebook accidentally released it themselves. So yeah, they do gather data for ghost profiles.

As for making public only things you want known those FB users didn't make that info public. FB got it by snooping around their computers. And the people who never signed up with FB dang sure didn't intend for them to have their personal data.

I want people to know what I think. But many people don't. They have to worry about employers accessing databases to find out things about them that might affect whether they get a job or not or whether they get fired or not. Kids can make mistakes early in their life. Most do. FB makes those mistakes permanent and sharing that info with the government is no small thing. What about finding out that you were treated for depression as a teenager. Could you be denied the right to purchase a gun based on the laws on mental patients owning guns. And the current laws aren't the only ones we need to worry about. What happens when they pass a new law that bans letting a juvenile fire a gun? They could make it retroactive. And they could find that data from your FB page.

I'm not saying there aren't a million places that gather data. But none do it on the scale of FB and none go past gathering data on individuals who consent and into the lives of people who may never even use the internet because of privacy concerns. If your crazy cousin has your name, address and phone number in a contacts database then FB can gather that info and start building a file on that person based on who knows what. With the financial records kept by credit card companies and banks they can gather every bit of info about you. They already do in fact. You can research the background of pretty much everyone if you pay a small fee to a data company. At some point we have to say enough is enough. What if you're gay and you never go online or speak to anyone about it except the one person you have a relationship with? What if that person has you in their contacts list? It can just be a hop, skip and a jump from figuring out your relationship and then storing the data in a file. I am not usually big on gay rights but no one has the right to do that kind of investigating into your private life. Everyone has the right to be wrong at times. None of us are perfect. But that imperfection shouldn't be echoed around the world so that potential wives, husbands, in-laws, children, etc. can find these things out about you. Then there's the fact your parents might learn you cheat on your wife or your wife might learn it.

Where does this all end? Nowhere? Are we ready to reveal every detail of our lives so some company can profit from it? Not me. Never. If my kids knew what I did as a kid it would seriously affect the way they live their lives and that's just not fair. It's up to me to decide what my children need to know about me.

Privacy is serious business and I can't believe people are so willing to surrender it. Heck J. Edgar Hoover practically ran our government by using personal info to blackmail people. Is that what you want for everyone?
 
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