Part of a joint statement from US Border Patrol, Local 2544.
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longeyes
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.50 calibers? Ay, caramba! Quick, somebody tell "The President." (Wonder why I use quotes around his title?--no, you don't, you know.)
Our real President is coming to L.A. for Memorial Day weekend, I hear. Yes, that would be Senor Vicente Fox. Word is we are going to close, at one of the biggest traffic times of the year, both the 405 Freeway and the 10 Freeway (the latter being the most heavily traveled freeway in the U.S.) to make sure our real President's motorcade won't have any delays. He has important meetings, including one with our Mayor and Vice-Regent His Excellency Antonio Villaraigosa. One can only speculate what those two might be discussing.
From NationalLedger.com
News Analysis
Border Patrol Agents Warn: Bush Plan is a Trojan Horse
By Jim Kouri
May 18, 2006
In a joint statement, members of the US Border Patrol, Local 2544, called President George W. Bush's border security and illegal immigration plan a Trojan Horse.
"Every day that President Bush and the Senate hold real border security hostage to their misguided amnesty program, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens continue to flood into the country. Make no mistake, most of them get by us. We are losing this war, and it's not even close. Contact your senators and congressmen now. Tell them to secure the border and tell them to reject amnesty programs (so called 'guest-worker')," said member agents.
The agents said that Bush and the US Senate don't "get it," but Republicans in the US House of Representatives "get it." The American people "get it."
Border Patrol agents point out the illegal immigration problem is a simple issue to solve: Shut the border down to illegal aliens crossing into the US, then begin "hammering" the greedy employers who hire them.
"It's not complicated, folks," they stress.
Promising more amnesty is not going to dissuade anyone from coming into the US illegally.
The Border Patrol agents then turned their ire towards the President. They say his post-speech propaganda trip to Yuma, Arizona is a carefully planned PR stunt. There are a lot of very wealthy farmers in the Yuma area who dominate the local economy and have been using the cheap labor of illegal aliens to build their wealth for many years. Bush speaks their language.
The agents add, "The American people should also know that any 'statements' or 'comments' from top-level Border Patrol managers should be taken with a grain of salt. They say what they're told to say. Period."
The Border Patrol also noted that "President Bush is doing back flips to assure the hypocritical El Presidente Fox that America will not 'militarize' the border."
"We didn't realize that Fox was running things here. Is the Mexican government paying for any of this? Of course not. Further, Fox has already "militarized" the border. Mexico has plenty of troops on the border. We know this because we see them all the time and they shoot at us with rather large .50 caliber rifles. All we can do is hope their aim is bad, run from them, and then watch as the cowards from our government hide from the issue, and their government lies about them even being there.
"So........if Fox is so concerned with the 'militarization' of the border perhaps he should start on his side of the border. Fox needs to learn that the United States of America is a sovereign nation and has the absolute right to secure its borders. Fox does not have the right to dictate our internal policies. He uses his consulate officers to harass us, file lawsuits, and use every trick in the book to undermine border security so he can continue to send millions upon millions of his citizens over here to send millions upon millions of dollars back to him."
According to Senator Ted Kennedy, Americans support amnesty for illegal aliens. "Hey Teddy, we are Americans, and we don't support anything you're doing. You are a disgrace. Make sure you count us out when you lie to everyone about the "broad support" your amnesty plan enjoys,"said the Border Patrol agents.
Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and he's a staff writer for the New Media Alliance (thenma.org).
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Our real President is coming to L.A. for Memorial Day weekend, I hear. Yes, that would be Senor Vicente Fox. Word is we are going to close, at one of the biggest traffic times of the year, both the 405 Freeway and the 10 Freeway (the latter being the most heavily traveled freeway in the U.S.) to make sure our real President's motorcade won't have any delays. He has important meetings, including one with our Mayor and Vice-Regent His Excellency Antonio Villaraigosa. One can only speculate what those two might be discussing.
From NationalLedger.com
News Analysis
Border Patrol Agents Warn: Bush Plan is a Trojan Horse
By Jim Kouri
May 18, 2006
In a joint statement, members of the US Border Patrol, Local 2544, called President George W. Bush's border security and illegal immigration plan a Trojan Horse.
"Every day that President Bush and the Senate hold real border security hostage to their misguided amnesty program, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens continue to flood into the country. Make no mistake, most of them get by us. We are losing this war, and it's not even close. Contact your senators and congressmen now. Tell them to secure the border and tell them to reject amnesty programs (so called 'guest-worker')," said member agents.
The agents said that Bush and the US Senate don't "get it," but Republicans in the US House of Representatives "get it." The American people "get it."
Border Patrol agents point out the illegal immigration problem is a simple issue to solve: Shut the border down to illegal aliens crossing into the US, then begin "hammering" the greedy employers who hire them.
"It's not complicated, folks," they stress.
Promising more amnesty is not going to dissuade anyone from coming into the US illegally.
The Border Patrol agents then turned their ire towards the President. They say his post-speech propaganda trip to Yuma, Arizona is a carefully planned PR stunt. There are a lot of very wealthy farmers in the Yuma area who dominate the local economy and have been using the cheap labor of illegal aliens to build their wealth for many years. Bush speaks their language.
The agents add, "The American people should also know that any 'statements' or 'comments' from top-level Border Patrol managers should be taken with a grain of salt. They say what they're told to say. Period."
The Border Patrol also noted that "President Bush is doing back flips to assure the hypocritical El Presidente Fox that America will not 'militarize' the border."
"We didn't realize that Fox was running things here. Is the Mexican government paying for any of this? Of course not. Further, Fox has already "militarized" the border. Mexico has plenty of troops on the border. We know this because we see them all the time and they shoot at us with rather large .50 caliber rifles. All we can do is hope their aim is bad, run from them, and then watch as the cowards from our government hide from the issue, and their government lies about them even being there.
"So........if Fox is so concerned with the 'militarization' of the border perhaps he should start on his side of the border. Fox needs to learn that the United States of America is a sovereign nation and has the absolute right to secure its borders. Fox does not have the right to dictate our internal policies. He uses his consulate officers to harass us, file lawsuits, and use every trick in the book to undermine border security so he can continue to send millions upon millions of his citizens over here to send millions upon millions of dollars back to him."
According to Senator Ted Kennedy, Americans support amnesty for illegal aliens. "Hey Teddy, we are Americans, and we don't support anything you're doing. You are a disgrace. Make sure you count us out when you lie to everyone about the "broad support" your amnesty plan enjoys,"said the Border Patrol agents.
Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and he's a staff writer for the New Media Alliance (thenma.org).
© Copyright by NationalLedger.com
longeyes
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Speaking of Ted K....
Anyone here want to explain to me why Teddy has really been the de facto President of these United States for the last forty years? I see his mark on everything.
Anyone here want to explain to me why Teddy has really been the de facto President of these United States for the last forty years? I see his mark on everything.
longeyes
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double-standard!
Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs
By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago
If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.
Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.
In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.
In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.
Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."
Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.
Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.
After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the "native-born" requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with AP's inquiries.
"These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed," said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.
But because the "model" statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexico's job market.
The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexico's 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.
"There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs," said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.
"The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete," Kim said, although most foreigners don't come to Mexico seeking government posts.
J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. "If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution," he said in a recent article on immigration.
Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.
"This country needs to be more open," said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. "In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make."
Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexico's history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.
Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."
Some say progress is being made. Mexico's president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain.
But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born.
Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs
By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago
If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.
Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.
In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.
In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.
Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."
Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.
Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.
After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the "native-born" requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with AP's inquiries.
"These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed," said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.
But because the "model" statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexico's job market.
The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexico's 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.
"There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs," said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.
"The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete," Kim said, although most foreigners don't come to Mexico seeking government posts.
J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. "If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution," he said in a recent article on immigration.
Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.
"This country needs to be more open," said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. "In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make."
Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexico's history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.
Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."
Some say progress is being made. Mexico's president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain.
But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born.
The Real Hawkeye
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That's exactly what I've been saying for years.
longeyes
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It IS complicated. That would change estate plans in Davos, the Cayman Islands, Ibiza, and various shrubby suburbs of U.S. power centers.
Or maybe a War on Greed will be our next national crusade?
Or maybe a War on Greed will be our next national crusade?
Aguila Blanca
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I only know one BP agent and my sense was that she had her head on fairly straight. But from a limited conversation I also got the impression she didn't feel there was a lot of support trickling down the chain of command.
It really is simple, the agents are correct. Unfortunately, I live under the thrall of two senators who prefer to lie about it, and try to tell me how good this new amnesty plan (which they assure me is NOT an amnesty plan) is going to be for me and for the country.
I guess it could be worse. The Mexican army is only shooting at our guys and gals with "rather large" .50 cal weapons. Think how much worse it might be if they used "really large" .50 cal weapons.
It really is simple, the agents are correct. Unfortunately, I live under the thrall of two senators who prefer to lie about it, and try to tell me how good this new amnesty plan (which they assure me is NOT an amnesty plan) is going to be for me and for the country.
I guess it could be worse. The Mexican army is only shooting at our guys and gals with "rather large" .50 cal weapons. Think how much worse it might be if they used "really large" .50 cal weapons.
The Real Hawkeye
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When your long term goal is a merger of sovereignty with Mexico, Canada and the countries of South and Central America, the last thing you want to do is let it be known that controlling the borders is a simple matter of enforcing the law. You want to create the impression that it is beyond anyone's control, therefore the only solution is a merger. The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) treaty is the first step in this process. They will not stop until they have made this the law of the land. Therefore, don't expect any solution to the border problem that does not actually make things worse.
Edited to correct spelling mishaps I just noticed.
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longeyes
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Hardly a conspiracy theory, my friend. Look around, you'll find the links to the meetings on cross-cultural cooperation and free trade zones. It's coming, and they are not hiding it.
The Real Hawkeye wrote: "When your long term goal is a merger of sovereignty with Mexico, Canada and the countries of South and Central America, the last thing you want to do is let it be known that controlling the boarders is a simple matter of enforcing the law. You want to create the impression that it is beyond anyone's control, therefore the only solution is a merger. The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) treaty is the first step in this process. They will not stop until they have made this the law of the land. Therefore, don't expect any solution to the boarder problem that does not actually make things worse."
And this is exactly why the "border problem" isn't really down south, it's in Washington, D.C. and there will be no progress of any serious kind until we have a broad-based "regime change" in the governance of the United States. So long as the same people are pulling the strings, there will be nothing but a slow, deliberate movement toward the long-established goal of a new Holy Roman Empire of commerce that transcends the dream of the Founders.
The Real Hawkeye wrote: "When your long term goal is a merger of sovereignty with Mexico, Canada and the countries of South and Central America, the last thing you want to do is let it be known that controlling the boarders is a simple matter of enforcing the law. You want to create the impression that it is beyond anyone's control, therefore the only solution is a merger. The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) treaty is the first step in this process. They will not stop until they have made this the law of the land. Therefore, don't expect any solution to the boarder problem that does not actually make things worse."
And this is exactly why the "border problem" isn't really down south, it's in Washington, D.C. and there will be no progress of any serious kind until we have a broad-based "regime change" in the governance of the United States. So long as the same people are pulling the strings, there will be nothing but a slow, deliberate movement toward the long-established goal of a new Holy Roman Empire of commerce that transcends the dream of the Founders.
The Real Hawkeye
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Why don't you look up the FTAA, and Bush's association with same, and then consider what's going on in Europe right now as we speak? Ever hear of the European Union? Thirty-five years ago, if you had suggested that European shakers and movers were planning to transform Europe into a shared-sovereignty super-state with open borders, shared currency and common passports, you know what they'd have called you? They'd have called you a conspiracy theorist. Yet, even thirty-five years ago, the evidence was all there for anyone to see.
Sindawe
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Hmmm... Perhaps instead of the BP, fences and the like, all we need is mass deployment of this. Now where DID I put my copy of the Necronomicon? 
2. Many people, even those disgusted by the mess immigration had become, shy away having the make the hard choices needed to defend this nation from the slow motion invasion.
1. The plan that TRH as commented on.
2. Many people, even those disgusted by the mess immigration had become, shy away having the make the hard choices needed to defend this nation from the slow motion invasion.
The Real Hawkeye
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Thanks Longeyes, though I wish you had corrected my spelling of borders before quoting me. I caught it myself only when I read your quote of my post. When I type quickly, I often fall victim to homonym-itis.
TallPine
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Or maybe a Freudian slip?
After they cross the borders, then they become (mostly nonpaying) boarders in the US.
The Real Hawkeye
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True.
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Trojan Horse?
Remember folks, it was the IACP who supported the Brady law and the AW ban.
'nuff said.
Remember folks, it was the IACP who supported the Brady law and the AW ban.
'nuff said.
xd9fan
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Border Patrol Says That Mexican Troops Shoot At Them With .50s... Reply to Thread
shoot back...and make it count.....
shoot back...and make it count.....
Waitone
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Richard Haass was a Deputy Secretary for Plans in Bush's State Department until mid-2003. He then took a gig as President of the Council on Foreign Relations which is where he is now. The attached article appeared in the Taipei Times. It is a major foreign policy statement by a current insider who is explaining what is going on in the ruling elites circles. Read the article then take a gander at the title of the book he just wrote and now hawks.Lou629 said:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2006/02/21/2003294021/print
Council on Foreign Relations is the subject of a lot of speculation. Reality is the organization is a major source of ruling elite talent used in running the country. Both political parties and virtually all major businesses are members. Point is the organization is the publicity and organizational mouthpiece for some very powerful people.
CFR put out a piece title "North American Community" which appeared either just before or just after Bush had his first North American Get Together in Waco Texas. Here is the CFR's webpage devoted to NA Integration. You can purchase a bound copy of the document or you can download a pdf for free. http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/
Go to www.whitehouse.gov and search "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America". A whole raft of hits will roll back. I've listed just a few to give you a feel for the scope of the initiative.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-3.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060331-4.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-2.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050627-2.html
A few other quasi-governmental organizations.
http://usinfo.state.gov/wh/Archive/2005/May/18-799399.html
http://www.brookings.edu/press/books/clientpr/cfr/creatinganorthamericancommunity.htm
http://www.comiterepubliquecanada.ca/English/News/Slug047.htm
Here is a list of a few whistleblowers on the initiative
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/spingola/050715
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=72977
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=142125
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/sovereignty/sovereignty.html
I've merely scratched the surface. Google is your friend. I am particularly impressed with how official sources are quite forthcoming in what is going on. I guess the problem is people are not willing to take the final logical step as ascribe treason to the highest levels of our goverment. That comment comes from someone who until the appearance of "North American Community" roundly rejected tinfoil hat discusssions. It was just too much for me to ignore when I saw a CFR document and Whitehouse press releases side by side. I'm open to alternative explanations if your can provide one.
Edited to Add:
If you digest the foregoing information then come back a take a look at the current flap in congress over illegal aliens in our culture, presidential jawboning rings particularly hollow. Reality of the matter is Bush has a vested interest in unrestricted flows (in this case labor) over US borders. If he is truly on board with the NA Community he can't be serious about his oath to the constitution of the US. If he is serious about constitutional principals (stop giggle and hear me out) he can not be negotiating away our national sovereignty. The two positions are mutually exclusive. So I leave it to those who doubt to explain what Bush is up to with regard to his shadow puppet routine on illegal immigration.
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