slabuda
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Let me explain....I dont think there is anything wrong with .223/5.56 for a varmint rifle. I am just wanting more.
More range and less wind drift and long range energy for coyotesis what I am looking for. And possibly to use on antelope and maybe even mule deer at shorter ranges than my main deer/elk rifle (see below) And maybe some informal long range tgt work with friends. Think 400-800 yds at steel plates out in the Idaho desert.
My battery consists of:
CZ 452 varmint in .22--superb accuracy (1/2" @ 50 yds easily), but could do with some trigger work
Weatherby Vangurad Varmint special in .223--awful trigger and ok accuracy--best I can get is 1 moa @ 100 yds.
AR-15 (Stag Arms)--only used iron sights but seems quite accurate, trigger is typical GI
Browning A-Bolt composite stalker in .270 WSM--ok trigger (might like a bit lighter) and quite accurate (3/4 MOA at 100 yds)
Now you know what I have. What I am looking for is a bit of what I stated above. Keep in mind I DO NOT reload. I amy at some point in the future but not anywhere in the near future (my spare time is spent dog training and tying trout flies ). So ammo must be available over the counter from local Cabelas or Sportsmans etc. so no wildcats or hard to find commercial ammo in varmint bullets (think Vmax etc) and wanting reasonable priced as well, my .270 WSM is not cheap! I do prefer short action calibers too. I am looking to bridge the gap between .22(.223/5.56) and .270 WSM. Not interested in .308 either at this time. As far as bullet weight I am looking for 80-100 gr range on the low end. Recoil is also a consideration as I want to see my hits (misses) in the scope to adjust as needed at long ranges on coyotes or steel. As does weight of the rifle. I dont particularly want to carry a 15lb bench rest gun. My Weatherby Varmint is about 8lbs with out scope and that is about ideal. However going up or down 1-2 lbs will be considered. I am planning on scoping my AR-15 for a walk around coyote gun and/or to be used for quick close up shots.
I am leaning towards .243, but have also looked very hard at the .260 (the BC of that round is amazing!) .25-06, has also been a consideration but as mentioned I prefer a short action caliber.
So thats what I am looking for in a caliber...as far as rifles I have looked at a couple of Savage.
Model: 12 Long Range Precision
Model: 10 Predator Hunter Max 1
I even considered getting a Rem 700 or Savage action and buying a shilen barrel with something like a Jewel trigger and HS precision stock....but that looks like it may get out of my price range (below $900) and the more affordable the better so I have $$ for a better scope than the Cabelas one I use now. I am looking at a Leopold VXIII with varmint reticle (I have a VXIII B&C and love it)
I appreciate any info on calibers, ammo selection for predators and informal steel, barrel life, recoil, cost etc
As well as rifle suggestions to include a my thoughts on a shilen barreled savage or Rem 700 action.
Also does anyone shoot either of those two Savage's? Is the Accustock worth it, or am I better off with something like the HS precision? What is the typical trigger pull weight and quality (creep, gritty, break) of the accutrigger?
Thanks all!!
BTW the Weatherby Vanguard will most likely be sold to pay for this. May not be this varmint season but hopefully for this summer/fall.
More range and less wind drift and long range energy for coyotesis what I am looking for. And possibly to use on antelope and maybe even mule deer at shorter ranges than my main deer/elk rifle (see below) And maybe some informal long range tgt work with friends. Think 400-800 yds at steel plates out in the Idaho desert.
My battery consists of:
CZ 452 varmint in .22--superb accuracy (1/2" @ 50 yds easily), but could do with some trigger work
Weatherby Vangurad Varmint special in .223--awful trigger and ok accuracy--best I can get is 1 moa @ 100 yds.
AR-15 (Stag Arms)--only used iron sights but seems quite accurate, trigger is typical GI
Browning A-Bolt composite stalker in .270 WSM--ok trigger (might like a bit lighter) and quite accurate (3/4 MOA at 100 yds)
Now you know what I have. What I am looking for is a bit of what I stated above. Keep in mind I DO NOT reload. I amy at some point in the future but not anywhere in the near future (my spare time is spent dog training and tying trout flies ). So ammo must be available over the counter from local Cabelas or Sportsmans etc. so no wildcats or hard to find commercial ammo in varmint bullets (think Vmax etc) and wanting reasonable priced as well, my .270 WSM is not cheap! I do prefer short action calibers too. I am looking to bridge the gap between .22(.223/5.56) and .270 WSM. Not interested in .308 either at this time. As far as bullet weight I am looking for 80-100 gr range on the low end. Recoil is also a consideration as I want to see my hits (misses) in the scope to adjust as needed at long ranges on coyotes or steel. As does weight of the rifle. I dont particularly want to carry a 15lb bench rest gun. My Weatherby Varmint is about 8lbs with out scope and that is about ideal. However going up or down 1-2 lbs will be considered. I am planning on scoping my AR-15 for a walk around coyote gun and/or to be used for quick close up shots.
I am leaning towards .243, but have also looked very hard at the .260 (the BC of that round is amazing!) .25-06, has also been a consideration but as mentioned I prefer a short action caliber.
So thats what I am looking for in a caliber...as far as rifles I have looked at a couple of Savage.
Model: 12 Long Range Precision
Model: 10 Predator Hunter Max 1
I even considered getting a Rem 700 or Savage action and buying a shilen barrel with something like a Jewel trigger and HS precision stock....but that looks like it may get out of my price range (below $900) and the more affordable the better so I have $$ for a better scope than the Cabelas one I use now. I am looking at a Leopold VXIII with varmint reticle (I have a VXIII B&C and love it)
I appreciate any info on calibers, ammo selection for predators and informal steel, barrel life, recoil, cost etc
As well as rifle suggestions to include a my thoughts on a shilen barreled savage or Rem 700 action.
Also does anyone shoot either of those two Savage's? Is the Accustock worth it, or am I better off with something like the HS precision? What is the typical trigger pull weight and quality (creep, gritty, break) of the accutrigger?
Thanks all!!
BTW the Weatherby Vanguard will most likely be sold to pay for this. May not be this varmint season but hopefully for this summer/fall.