Boycott "Grey's Anatomy!!!" and tell ABC why you're doing it

[Gord]

The only way to answer that to your satisfaction will be for ABC's legal department to say something on behalf of their client ABC.

Which is fine and dandy - your thread title simply implied (and, knowing a lot of members here, probably resulted in) a bunch of half-cocked "screw you, screw your show and screw your network" emails based on the assumption that they endorsed the commercial.

In which case, one or two polite enquiries as to such would be received a hell of a lot better than several dozen of our diligent Defenders of the Conservative Ideal writing "I AM NEVER WATCHING YOUR SHOW AGAIN YOU PROPAGANDA-MAKING SCUMSUCKERS" etc etc.

Perhaps it would have been prudent to actually request a response from ABC's legal team before suggesting a boycott here.

Clear violation of terms of use. Flag it as inappropriate, and let's get it deleted.

Last I checked, the Brady Campaign was a nonprofit organization*, not a business. Are we flagging NRA ads on Youtube too, then?

*If that link doesn't do it for ya, you can also search for "Brady Center" on the IRS Charity Search here.

 

[wooderson]

She is ABC's contracted employee and is using their character. ABC can tell her to cease and desist, and can order her use of the character in this way be stopped. I don't understand why you would want to discourage people from communicating this to ABC.

Um... no.

She's not using her character - she only says she plays Character X. This is identification - a statement of fact, nothing more.

She doesn't perform the spot in character or make any other reference to the show or ABC properties.

 

[gunsmith]

T Ninja

NRA? if it was non profit wouldn't I be able to deduct contributions?
I'm not sure NRA is non profit...anyone?

 

[STAGE 2]

My wife and I really like the show and thats not gonna change. The fact that so many of you are shocked that a hollywood celebrity does an antigun ad leaves me.... well shocked.

Isn't it a foregone conclusion that 99% of those on the big or small screens are wackjobs where politics are concerned.

 

[localFFL]

She's not using her character

All righty then. Clearly we watched different videos here.

She doesn't perform the spot in character

Like I said, what video were you watching?

Jlbraun and gunsmith are RIGHT ON! This may not be an advertisement for a BUSINESS, but it's still a very clear advertisment as well as being a BLATANT solicitation to join the brady campaign.

If an NRA video on you tube solicited people to JOIN the NRA, then heck, that would constitute an "advertisement" and thus, a violation of youtube's terms of service. Thank you to Jlbraun for pointing this out. HOME RUN! I'll bet the video is removed in a couple of days. If it is, I will make sure to gloat on the brady campaign's youtube page

 

[Deanimator]

Quote:
I do not personally own a TV.

not a thing wrong with that.

But how do you watch Tales of the Gun???

 

[Gord]

NRA? if it was non profit wouldn't I be able to deduct contributions?
I'm not sure NRA is non profit...anyone?

The NRA itself is not (and does not appear on the searchable IRS Charities & Non-Profits list). However, the NRA Foundation is. NRA sez:

In 1990, NRA made a dramatic move to ensure that the financial support for firearms-related activities would be available now and for future generations. Establishing the NRA Foundation, a 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt organization, provided a means to raise millions of dollars to fund gun safety and educational projects of benefit to the general public. Contributions to the Foundation are tax-deductible and benefit a variety of American constituencies, including youths, women, hunters, competitive shooters, gun collectors, law enforcement agents and persons with physical disabilities.

Both the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund and the NRA Special Contribution Fund appear on the IRS Charities & Non-Profits list.

Now:

All righty then. Clearly we watched different videos here.

As several others besides myself have mentioned, she introduces herself using her real name and mentions that she plays a certain character for recognition purposes - she does not introduce herself as the character, which would constitute an illegal/unauthorized use of ABC's intellectual property for endorsement purposes. I was once an extra for an episode of The X-Files; if I introduce myself as such on TV, do I have to pay them a nickel?

This may not be an advertisement for a BUSINESS

And so there's no issue insofar as regards the YouTube TOS (do I really have to go do someone else's homework and post the relevant portions here as proof?) and the video is not inappropriate. If it were, the Brady Campaign would have had its YouTube account suspended long before now. Nothing in YouTube's TOS forbids nonprofit or partisan ads.

And so, we come to the conclusion that those who are urging a removal of the video from the website are evidently "anti-1st" themselves as there is no basis for a removal other than "I don't agree with them!"

 

[wooderson]

Like I said, what video were you watching?

The one where she said "I'm Kate Walsh and I play <X> on <Y>. Doctors blah blah blah."

 

[Art Eatman]

gunsmith, the ILA part of the NRA is specifically a political lobbying entity. It is a separate corporation from the NRA. Donations to it are not deductible.

All the rest of the NRA "group" are non-political and the donations are (or may be, depending on the activities and IRS rulings) deductible. Donations to the Whittington Center, for instance, are deductible.

Art

 

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violence

gun violence stats are lower then other violent crimes that happen every day. just go to your local court house and see for yourself. This add does suc and i will not watch it anymore.

 

[gunsmith]

Thanks!

I am already a life member & I am to broke to donate $ right now ...but next time it will be deducted.

back to topic, I'll let brady flag whatever NRA vids are on youtube and I'll flag theirs.
I hope you will join jbraun and I on our noble endeavors.

 

[Turkey Creek]

I dislike that show and now have even more reason not to watch it- I can't believe my wife watches it and "ER"- Both are nothing more than soaps shown in the evening instead of the afternoon- What is even more annoying about this spot is that she's decked out in her MD regalia apparently to lend some kind of credence to her statements- Of course the masses have a difficult time differentiating between actors and the roles they play so I guess it's a smart move on their part- It has been suggested that writing to ABC will not accomplish anything and probably so- Writing to the sponsors advertising this drivel will have an altogether entirely different effect

 

[CountGlockula]

It's a "chick" show....full of tears, scarred women and estrogen filled dudes.

The wife loves it, if there were more guns on the show...then I'd watch it.

 

[localFFL]

I forgot to mention a funny aspect to all of this.

Some may wonder how I ran across this video in the first place. On a semi regular basis I scan all of the anti gunner's websites. Brady has it embedded on one of theirs so I clicked on it to use some of their bandwidth. When I noticed that it was a youtube video, I clicked on it again so it would take me to youtube.com.

When I first found it, the only comments on youtube were suck up comments from gun haters saying how much they adore that woman and her show. They apparently found the video because they love and adore her and/or the brady campaign.

After a mini firestorm of comments ensued today, I noticed that this video really wasn't a "public service announcement," and that it really wasn't meant for widespread public consumption. This was something brady was trying to use to get donations from people on their various lists. It was a targeted recruiting and donations tool meant for FRIENDLY potential troops (i.e. fellow gun haters, specifically women who love that show).

It appears that they only meant that video to be seen by their troops visiting their website and I'll bet cash on the barrel of my assault weapon that they mainly intended it to be seen by those on their email list. I'm a member of a group unrelated to guns that does similar things.

Since it's very likely that it will be removed from youtube for clearly violating the terms of use policy against advertising, and thus will give me pleasure to slap brady in the face, I think this video has already served 80% of it's intended purpose in suckering the airheads on their email list into sending a check.

 

[obxned]

I quit watching ABC long ago. Their 'news' has more propaganda than factual reporting. In fact, I havent watched NBC or CBS much in the last few years.

 

[SniperStraz]

I agree with Stretchman. She didn't say anything wrong. I agree with her. Its the implication I don't like. Keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Absolutely! Guns kill 79 Americans every day? Can't argue with numbers. But the fact that gun death is blamed on the gun is the problem. How about: 79 criminals kill people with a gun everyday in America. Now she'd be blaming the right cause. (yes i know some gun deaths are suicide too)
my .02

 

[lamazza]

I don't remember the last time I watched a network tv show. I'm sure this show is not an isolated incident of the garbage social commentary that permeates network tv!

 

[71Commander]

maybe if we educate the Brady people to in fact write sensible gun laws

Just when did the Brady Bunch start writing laws?

 

[localFFL]

Guns kill 79 Americans every day? Can't argue with numbers.

If the "numbers" are wrong and/or misleading we sure as heck can. Please re-read this thread because the lies behind the "79" number and the "8 young people" number have been thoroughly exposed.

 

[torpid]

I do not personally own a TV.

So naturally I have not seen this show and many others. I personally chose to not have an inlet of sponsored propaganda, brainwashing in my home.
Oh, one less something to dust as well.

The times I do view a TV, it is of something I can dictate and I can choose, such as a old movie, training tape or something educational.

I have better things to do, than hear orchestrated lies whether it be the news, or some program.

Anatomy & Physiology - I really enjoyed this class and Hoyle's was the Textbook used. I recommend this text.

Just me you understand, then again I do not get worked up over TV shows.

Steve

Q: How do you know if somebody on a forum doesn't own a TV?

A: Don't worry, they'll always make extra sure to let you know.

(sorry, sm )

 

[sm]

*somebody* torpid must of had to dust the TV today...

Internet news and such is great, I can double check resources, and not have to watch stupid commercials.

 

[gunsmith]

huh?

Absolutely! Guns kill 79 Americans every day?

PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE

The young Muslim gunman that killed a bunch of people yesterday got killed by a man with a gun.
His death will count as one of "the children" killed with a gun!

 

[GTSteve03]

Who watches that tripe anyways?

House is the only good medical drama on network TV.

 

[Stretchman]

So many that I've lost track of them. You say it's wrong to have sensible gun laws? Then you wonder why anti-gun people have so much ammo to go to congress and say " Hey, maybe it's time to do away with guns because people aren't being responsible with them."

I especially liked the comment about being either with you or against you. I am either pro, or anti, and there is no middle ground. Did somebody write that? Tell you what. I just bought a shottie in 12 GA. What say I go outside and crack a few rounds off, nowhere in particular. After all, I have the right to have it, don't I? If I shoot up the neighbors property, I can just look at him and say " Well, you didn't see me do it, you can't prove nothing, right?"
( Actually what he said to me when I found a BB lodged in my Air Conditioner grill ) and that will make other people go out and buy guns so that they can do it too.

"What's that, you say the kid down the street is threatening you in class with a .22, Timmy? Well, let's go get you a .44 Magnum. Then you can tell the teacher what to do with her homework, too."

"Whaddya mean I can't take a gun into jail, man? Haven't you heard of the second amendment?"

Get serious. Gun laws and legislation exist for a reason. And the reason is that people are not really responsible with firearms. Did the amount of children who got hurt playing with daddy's gun go down when people said "Ain't that a shame?" or did it decrease when people said " Leave a firearm within reach or easy access of a minor and you will go to jail. "

Some people have to be told and taught how to be responsible for their own actions. Simply because they refuse to take the blame for anything they do themselves.

Responsible ownership. Lest our rights become privileges of the few.

 

[benEzra]

Stretchman,

I'm all for responsible ownership, and I understand where you're coming from. Problem is, that is NOT what the Brady Campaign advocates for.

The Brady Campaign lobbies to outlaw the lawful and responsible possession of AR-15's, mini-14's, and other small-caliber self-loading carbines, even though they are almost never misused.

It lobbies to outlaw rifle stocks with handgrips that stick out.

It lobbies to restrict practically all firearms to pre-1861 magazine capacities.

It lobbies to restrict CCW licensure to the wealthy and well connected, by opposing statuatory issue laws.

It lobbies to make responsible self-defense as difficult as possible, by attempting to mandate unloaded storage even if you have a safe.

It is on record as supporting D.C.'s ban on possessing any functional firearm even inside your own home.


FWIW, I like Kate Walsh (she's perhaps my favorite of all the Grey's cast), and I'll keep watching the show--after all, the show didn't run a Bradyite episode, she did the spot personally, on her own time. I'm disappointed that she did the spot, though, and I think it's a bit misleading to portray that as what the Brady Campaign actually does.