Bring a broomhandle from Finland?

[Jordan]

My Finnish FIL, who lives here in the states, has an old broomhandle in Finland. He would like to bring it into the states if possible. Is there any way to bring one's own firearm into the US?

Of course there's some question if it's semi or full-auto. This would, of course, need to be determined. If it's FA I guess I know the answer

Thanks!

 

[Langenator]

Is he moving to the US? Or is it a gift to you or your wife? Or would he just be bringing it with him to visit?

If it's coming to stay, I'd say an ATF Form 6 would be the place to start. That's what I had to do to bring in the two pistols I bought when I was stationed in Germany.

 

[Jordan]

No, he lives here. He legally immigrated decades ago. The Broomhandle is just still back in Finland with his family. He would like to bring it over here, though, if possible.

An ATF form 6 you say? What is that?

Also, it has the detachable sholderstock/holster making it possibly considered a short barreled rifle ?? It seems like I see detachable stocks for pistols at gunshows though--

 

[Hoppy590]

Also, it has the detachable sholderstock/holster making it possibly considered a short barreled rifle ?? It seems like I see detachable stocks for pistols at gunshows though--

if the stock is original, thats a VERY VALUABLE item, and you could/SHOULD look look to see if you can bring it in as a Curio and Relic. it may be easier

 

[Jordan]

Hoppy: I don't know anything about C&R stuff. Might it be possible to "bring it over as a C&R"? Would one need an importer liscense or something?

So would I be able to keep the stock with it? What about the short barreled rifle thing?

 

[LAR-15]

Contact the BATFE and see how to do it legally.

A gun that old should be legal for import as a 'curio or relic'

 

[Sleeping Dog]

there's some question if it's semi or full-auto

Anyone heard of a full-auto broom-handle? I thought they were only semi-auto.

 

[Justin]

Yes. The Spanish used full-auto Broomhandles at one point.

 

[Jordan]

So it's unlikely that it's full-auto given it's geography and it's place in history.

I will contact the ATF(something I never thought I'd find myself doing voluntarily). But I'd like to have as much knowledge as possible going in--

Does a C&R liscense allow one to import C&R eligible guns? Or merely purchase them from importers? In this case it's not even being purchased... we own it.
By what criteria can I be certain that it is C&R eligible?

The shoulderstock/holster. Legal or not?

 

[Professor K]

The shoulderstock/holster is legal. ATF exempted it and a few other pistol/stock combos from being SBRs.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I made a point of getting a letter from the ATF that my antique
Mauser C96 ser.num. 107xxx (date 1912-1913) was legal with
either an original or reproduction shoulder stock.

However, a Mauser built on a new receiver would be considered
a modern gun and would still be an NFA registered item.

A modern handgun with a shoulder stock falls under the SBR
restriction, but genuine antiques or curios and relics on the C&R
list are exempt.

Now, the import of a foreign gun by the original naturalized owner
is a whole 'nother issue. There are forms for a person to bring
back a gun they took overseas with them.

 

[GRIZ22]

It would have been easier if he brought it with him when he immigrated here then it's household goods and minor paperwork involved. The fact that he's lived here for decades can make it look like he just acquired it. If there is some registration certificate or something that says he owned the gun before he moved to the U.S. that might change things, In any case contacting ATF or the Inspectors at Customs and Border Protection can't hurt.

Quote:

That's what I had to do to bring in the two pistols I bought when I was stationed in Germany.

Rules are different for members of the U.S. Armed Forces.

 

[Chipperman]

The full auto version is called the "Schnellfeuer"

They are not really that common, especially in the U.S. There were many more semi-autos produced. Total Schnellfeuer production was about 100,000 as opposed to over 1 million semi-auto.

 

[Hoppy590]

im no expert on importations, but it would make sense that its easier to bring in a C&R than a "just another pistol" thats why i mentioned C&R. sorry if i got your hopes up thinking i knew something you didnt.
the C&R (FFL03) does not entitle you to import as far as i know.

the form 6 can be found here http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms

 

[Trebor]

Do a search here for the threads where posters asked about importing guns from Canada. Yeah, Finland isn't Canada, but the process is the same. I reccomend you find a FFL dealer on your end who is familiar with the process and can guide you through the paperwork and procedure.

Be aware that the fact it is a military pistol may work against you.

 

[Jordan]

Hmm.. I'm guessing the "military" pistol thing, along with it's age will be a big help. C&R standards make it more like a collectable than a weapon.

Good idea on the Canada thing though--

 

[Trebor]

Actually, if it is actually a "military" pistol and not a "police" pistol or civilian pistol, that can work *against* you. Different regs apply to importion of ex-military firearms. A buddy of mine couldn't import an ex-military 1911 from Canada just because it was a military pistol. He was able to import the rest of his family's collection though, just not that one gun. (He was a U.S. citizen, btw, but he had Canadian parents)