Bullseye reloads for 45acp

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Been using bullseye for 30 yrs reloading 45acp . With one of guns I bought from him it came az5gr of Bullseye behind 200 gr h&g68 if gun gets dirty so what wipe off the dirt on feed ramp with rag or easily take it apart and wipe it down with rag and re oil or add break free clip . I have at least ten custom 1911 incuding some stock an 1911 shoot them dirty. Most problems from magazines I also . I WOULD ALWAYS CLEAN MY CARRY GUN THOUGH I also use jacketed bullets from hornady and nosler 185 gr and nosler loads give different data than hornady they say it's a sectional density thing. I have pictures I can send if I can figure out how this is my first answer.excellent using bullseye a little powder goes a long way with lead bullets I use cast 21 brinnell hardness less your have more leading I called Oregon trail trees is 24 hardness I'm happy with my rogers better bullets and if I get pictures up on day I think you would be too





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On another forum, a newcomer posted something similar (run-on sentences and no attempt at punctuation) and somebody rewrote it as a "public service", so that the newcomer might get some useful answers. The newcomer probably didn't notice that the forum had some "unofficial style guides", which were not in line with his texting habits.

So, it the spirit of helpfulness, here is an edited version. Let's try again -

I have been using Bullseye for .45 ACP for 30 years.

With one of the guns I bought, it came with some ammo which was 5gr of Bullseye behind a 200gr H&G68 LSWC.

If your gun gets dirty, so what? Just wipe off the dirt and feed ramp with a rag. Or you can easily take it apart and wipe it down with a rag, then re-oil or use Break-Free CLP.

I have at least ten custom 1911's, including some stock and I shoot them dirty. I believe most reliability problems come from magazines rather than a dirty gun.

I WOULD ALWAYS CLEAN MY CARRY GUN, THOUGH.

I also use jacketed bullets from Hornady and Nosler, both 185 gr. The Nosler loads give different data than Hornady. They say it's a sectional density thing.

I have pictures I can send if I can figure out how -- this is my first post.

I have had excellent results using Bullseye. A little powder goes a long way, so it is economical.

With lead bullets I use cast at Brinell 21 hardness. With a softer bullet you have more leading.

I called Oregon Trail and they say their bullets are Brinell 24.

I'm happy with my Roger's Better Bullets and if I get pictures up one day you will see the results. You would probably like them, too.

 
1) I shoot 10-12 BHN in my .45 Autos and get no leading. Maybe I should switch to 24 BHN, since I will get even less leading.
2) Economical comes from cheaper bullets. Cost of powder is not driving factor.
3) I have shot whole seasons of PPC and IPSC without even considering cleaning my guns while shooting Bullseye and Unique. "Dirty" just isn't an issue, I agree.
4) When I started loading in the '70s, almost all concerns about powder revolved around just one issue--is it accurate? Beyond that, and not even close to being as important, was--how fast does it propel the bullet. Those were about the only powder-issues I remember. Today, accuracy does not even make the top three issues for powder selection.
From my reading, the issues seem to be:
Is it "clean"
Does it meter well
Does it smoke
Does it have minimal flash (I may suddenly find myself having to shoot my 130PF load in the dark to save my town from zombies)
Will my friends respect me for using it
Will it meet power factor for the least cost
Does it smell good
 
ggood45auto,
Welcome to THR.


dmazer,
Thanks for the translation!

So the OP likes Bullseye, does not care if it is dirty, likes Rogers Better Bullets, and had issues with leading and thinks harder cast bullets are the answer.
(which most of us "know" is not correct, but the change to different brand harder bullet may have solved his issue.)

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I also use jacketed bullets from Hornady and Nosler, both 185 gr. The Nosler loads give different data than Hornady. They say it's a sectional density thing.

Much more likely due to OAL, bullet profile, shape, length, bearing surface, different powder lots, test equipment, and load source.

The harder cast bullets may have solved your leading issue but harder is usually not the answer. Missouri Bullet Company BHN 12 SWCs work fine for me in my two .45 1911s. No leading issues with the lubed lead ones but I have switched to coated since they are only a few $ more per 500. The coating pretty much eliminates leading issues. The BHN 18 work fine as well but the 12s seem to shoot a little better. MBC offers THR members a 5% discount with the code which is at the start of BDSs PIF thread. The 5% RMR code is there as well. MBC can ship 2000 .45 bullets for $14.

One of my favorite .45 APC bullets is the Rocky Mountain Reloading plated 230 RN. They shoot really well for me but do require a shorter OAL than most .45 RN bullets. (nothing wrong with that) Not much more expensive that some cast and less than others. Plated bullets do not have leading issues. RMR offers THR members a 5% discount and includes shipping in their price. (shipping bullets from some places can get expensive)

I find my major cost is bullets not powder.
Check out both Missouri Bullet Company and Rocky Mountain Reloading,
https://www.missouribullet.com/
http://www.rmrbullets.com/

Both have great products and excellent customer service.


Powder, My concerns are

#1 are there listed loads for it in the caliber I want to use it in
#2 can I find any of it to buy (anywhere at all, then is it available at my LGS,or do I have to order it)
#3 is it accurate
#4 does it meet my needs velocity wise (usually a non issue, I generally load most handgun ammo midrange, except for full power .357 mag)
#4.1 does it meter well
(something like 700X might be more accurate than say HP38 for a given load but I don't want to hand weigh every charge and the right load with some powders that meter well can generally be found for most of my handgun usage that will shoot good enough that the shooter (me) is the limiting factor. So while Unique shoots well for me it is on the bottom of my list because of the way it meters in 9mm size charges)
#5 Is it clean, well nice if it is but not a major consideration
#6 Cost, well yes but not a lot.
I really liked VV320 in .45 but
it is hard to find, it is accurate, it does meter well, it is clean, smells like normal burning powder to me, but is about 50% more expensive than other things I can find that work as well for my uses so while I think it is a great powder I have not bought any after the first pound. Would I buy more? Maybe if my LGS had it in stock.

Smell of the burned powder? I haven't really noticed a difference in smell.
If there is something out there that smells really bad let me know and I will recommend it to my friends. :evil: :) ( I seem to recall somebody saying something smelled like cat urine but I don't remember what)

Snob appeal for powder??? :confused: And I don't care if some people don't like the brand of press I use either.

In the end it is hard to argue with holes on target. IMO

Side note:
Clean guns, well my father was in the Army for 30 years and I tend to believe being in combat for about 7 of those years caused him to form a opinion that if you shoot them clean them when you can.
Seems like a good plan to me, learned that as a kid, and am to old to change now. Patches and solvent are cheap.
 
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Leading is seldom a function of the lead hardness. The first culprit is sizing. Are you buying bullets large enough for your barrel? Have you slugged your barrel? What is it's actual diameter. Do not order bullets until you know the size of YOUR barrel.

The variables in cast bullets are size, lube, hardness and powder. Is our powder too fast for what you are doing?

A 200 grs. SWC in .45, cast in 10-12 BHN, with good lube and shot over a powder like 231 will not lead if you size it properly.
 
Even better is cast your own, don't size them at all and just tumble lube them.
I have used 10-12 BHN for everything up to rifle calibers. Over 2000 fps, I need a harder alloy or a gas check. I always used a gas check.
Using lead bullets, you must know the actual groove diameter of you gun(s) and be sure that the bullets are, in general, AT LEAST 0.001" larger than the largest groove diameter barrel.
Then, for semi-autos, where the leading is will help you determine the cause (revolvers have whole other issues with throat diameters, forcing cones, and groove diameters to be balanced out).
If leading appears near the chamber, chances are that the bullet diameter is too small or hardness is too high.
A diameter too small or an alloy too hard will allow high pressure gas to leak past the bullet, which erodes the bullet and leaves leading near the chamber.
If the leading first appears on the leading edge of the rifling down the bore, the bullet might be too soft or the velocity too high for your rifling.
If the leading appears in the second (front) half of the barrel, the bullet is running out of lube.
 
I've been shooting 4.2 gr Bullseye under Lee TL 452 200 SWC in my Springfield XDm since I got it. ( 25 rds of factory loads to make sure the gun was good to go when brand new.) I've never encountered any kind of problem. I size them with a 451 Lee sizer and no leading.
 
Dmazur, the original post is so fragmented that I'm thinking only about a third of your "translation" is in any way what the OP intended. The rest is more like some exercise in free association and "squirrel chasing". Run on sentences or no punctuation I can live with. Even the cut up "texting talk" we see these days.

But that post is so all over the map and beyond that it's hard to say where it came from or where it's going. And it's not like the poster asked a question at all. Just some hints at random experiences.

So I'd have to go along with bds's replay of "huh?:confused:" which seems to sum things up nicely.

I'm sort of thinking that a few libations were enjoyed prior to joining THR and making this post. Hopefully ggood45auto comes back to this thread, if he remembers it, and fills us in.
 
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