BUMP FIRE, full auto....LEGAL...?

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The following story is made up...didn't happen..with
that said...me an my son an landowner, were shooting...
son says watch this..mini-14 at the hip shoots a 20 rd.
burst on full auto...AHHHHH!!!!! Dad says what did you do!
You'll get 20 yrs! How did you modify it! Landowner is laughing,
thinks its cool...no dad, its bump firing...its legal..stick your
thumb through to your belt loop an pull forward. Landowner
tries it an is like a kid with a loli-pop..I try, an then with my
AR....have'nt fired full auto since the military....afterwards we
hear that game warden was driving slow an looking, but we had
already stopped....is this MADE UP story legal, no inside or
outside mods were done, an son says perfectly legal....would
like opinions from some others on this...thanks.
 
Gun goes bang once for every pull of the trigger, that's legal.

There is nothing in the law about how quickly you can make that happen.

There IS a problem if you use devices to assist the speed in getting it done. Some of those are legal, some are not.

Finger and belt loop are legal methods.
 
Heh, yes, it's legal. There are no modifications to the gun. Almost all semi-automatic firearms could be made to do it if you play with it long enough.

There's very little practical value to it, and it can attract a lot of attention. Considering that an awful lot of gun guys have never heard of or seen this -- and that most cops aren't "gun guys" -- I can imagine a scenario where you might even end up spending a little time visiting with the local PD while they tried to determine how your rifle did that and if you'd done anything in the way of illegal modifications. But, in the end, there's nothing you could be charged with (all else being legal). Hassle, though.

I will admit to having done it once just to see if I could. WAAAY too expensive for just "funnin" IMHO.

Maybe I'll make it a birthday tradition or something. Bump-fire one mag and sing "Happy Birthday to Me..." :D

-Sam
 
Agree
Not full auto but REAL fast semi-auto. It is a lot of fun tho not cheap. Have done it on camping trips and it always amazes those looking on. Not very accurate tho.
 
Thanks guys...it seemed to work on about everything except a .22...too bad, thats cheap ammo...probably
buy bulk ammo for the Norinco mac-90 (AK)....we wondered if the law did show up if would check out guns or even know what to look for or even know what bump fire even was..we thought if they do we would ask if they would like to see an see if they wanted to try themselves...nothing like getting the law on your side, an the landowner
I don't think cares if they get upset, just wants to make sure its legal...
 
What's the game warden gonna do, if you're on privately owned land..?
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In many states the state owns game animals not the land owner. Meaning even shooting an animal on your own land, or violating a hunting regulation (like magazine limits, or certain actions during the wrong seasons, hunting out of season etc) on your own land is still a crime.

In fact eliminating pests like many people do is criminal poaching in places that require a basic hunting license to kill varmints, non game animals or small game animals.
Poaching is often a felony, and obviously you would lose your RKBA for the rest of your life.



Also if the guy thinks there is an illegal activity going on he could notify the local authorities or the feds who can then conduct thier own investigation days, weeks, or even months later when they get around to it.
So in a worst case scenario a warrant served on you in the future can be due to probable cause created when they witnessed what they believe was illegal use of unregistered NFA items sometime previously.



Bump fire is inaccurate because it relies on movement of the entire firearm through recoil. So shooting through an unstable platform heavily impacted by recoil you end up with an expensive way to send out very innacurate rounds.
 
aaahhhhh....ya.....hypothetically....
but its leaning more on strong possibality right now since it seems to be legal....story will probably be fact by tommorrow.....ha....
 
This might be a stupid question. however, I can picture it in my head, but i've never seen it. I would like to see it. Is there a video somewhere? BTW next time I go to the range and its empty I'm going to try it. Since the conclusion is that it is legal and all.
 
Better ask the range if you can first, this can be inaccurate, since its from the hip...shots can go high, an low missing backstops...don't know of a video...maybe type in yahoo.search...like....bump firing..an see what comes up...gun next to hip,
put thumb across trigger, palm open an facing down, do not clasp the rifle, cling that thumb unto a belt loop. with left hand slowly push the rifle forward, allowing it to recoil, an firing..if you push to hard, it will just fire once....have fun.
 
Slight topic veer: game warden

In many states the state owns game animals not the land owner. Meaning even shooting an animal on your own land, or violating a hunting regulation (like magazine limits, or certain actions during the wrong seasons, hunting out of season etc) on your own land is still a crime.
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In Texas, game wardens have more juice than any other law enforcement officer. They can enter your premesis or property with only suspicion - no warrant necessary - due to the nature of most wildlife crimes (evidence could be eaten, butchered, or packaged by the time warrants issued). However, their jurisdiction is unlimited - not only the woods or camp sites.

I understand that DPS, county, et. al., will use game wardens to exercise a search when time is stacked against them.

My point is private schmivate - game warden hears something suspicious he can enter and play "peek-a-boo."

Q
 
DNR has alot of power here, an I'm ok
with the law, if your not doing anything ilegal theres no worry, interisting about the large capacity magazines for hunting, are they legal to hunt with Indiana...?...what about
non game animals like groundhogs...I would think if you are on private property it would be ok...hmmm...may have to start another thread to find out from some Indiana folks.
 
Lots of bump firing videos on youtube, though i don't have a link to any. Shouldn't be too hard to find some there.
 
It's legal, but I find it to be stupid and dangerous. I feel that if your firearm was made to be semi-auto, then you are putting yourself at risk. Either just go through the hoops to get a real full-auto or go rent one, or just accept that you have semi-auto and stop pretending you have one and putting yourself at risk for a blow up.
 
Since when

1. local cops enforce ATF jurdisdiction laws?

2. you need to carry any sort of id with you (in free states) that says you can shoot your weapon?! Full auto, semi, bolt whatever.. no difference.

Relax people... yes it attracts attention but its not like you will have the airborne come rushing in. No worse than unloading a mag at an indoor range.... fast. You will likely get the usual "like you will hit anything" comments.
 
"Since when

1. local cops enforce ATF jurdisdiction laws?

2. you need to carry any sort of id with you (in free states) that says you can shoot your weapon?! Full auto, semi, bolt whatever.. no difference."

A little known fact, in every state(federal law). You must have state or fed. issued picture ID and at least $3 cash on your person at all times or you can be arrested for vagrancy. There are SOOOO many laws on the books, they need not find one before arresting you. Everyone is a guilty criminal, like it or not. And there are quite a few that are sort of "catch all" laws, like j-walking for instance.

Also, local cops can enforce ANY law. Regardless of where the "jurisdiction"(probably not the right word) lies.
 
You must have state or fed. issued picture ID and at least $3 cash on your person at all times or you can be arrested for vagrancy.
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I'd like to see a cite on this as well.
 
2. you need to carry any sort of id with you (in free states) that says you can shoot your weapon?! Full auto, semi, bolt whatever.. no difference."
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That one's easy. A law enforcement officer may ask to see your registration papers for any NFA weapon (machine gun, SBR, SBS, suppressor, AOW, DD) at any time. You don't go to the range without them. And you'll need proof of ID to show that you are the party named in the paperwork.

Other weapons, not that I know of, but NFA-registered ones, definitely.

-Sam
 
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