xd9fan
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Keep votin' for the same two parties. keep gettin the same crap.
Maybe this IS rocket science.
Maybe this IS rocket science.
Bush administration reverses Ashcroft in TSA ruling
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Orthonym
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The Mail Gun
Ernest K. Gann, in his autobiography "Fate is the Hunter", recalls bitching about having to carry The Mail Gun when he was an airline pilot for maybe United, I think it was, back in the late thirties. He wrote about how relieved he and his fellow airline pilots were, to hear that the rules had been relaxed slightly at the insistence of their employer, so they didn't actually have to wear the gunbelt for the whole flight.
As far as I know, airline pilots were *required*, no discretion allowed, to carry pistols when operating an airplane carrying the U.S. Mail as late as 1967.
Edit: Changed "novel" to "autobiography". Sorry, it's a better story than most novels.
Ernest K. Gann, in his autobiography "Fate is the Hunter", recalls bitching about having to carry The Mail Gun when he was an airline pilot for maybe United, I think it was, back in the late thirties. He wrote about how relieved he and his fellow airline pilots were, to hear that the rules had been relaxed slightly at the insistence of their employer, so they didn't actually have to wear the gunbelt for the whole flight.
As far as I know, airline pilots were *required*, no discretion allowed, to carry pistols when operating an airplane carrying the U.S. Mail as late as 1967.
Edit: Changed "novel" to "autobiography". Sorry, it's a better story than most novels.
Master Blaster
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A friend of mine is a retired USAIR pilot. He told me that until about 1976 the pilot of a commercial airline was required to carry a .357 revolver, when the plane was transporting US Mail, which was every flight he piloted for years.
I cant imagine he would have any reason to make that up. He is a vietnam veteran and a 35 year commercial pilot.
He's not into guns or shooting BTW.
I cant imagine he would have any reason to make that up. He is a vietnam veteran and a 35 year commercial pilot.
He's not into guns or shooting BTW.
Orthonym
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I wonder if the laws/postal regulations from that time are viewable online anywhere.
The recent silly reluctance to arm airline pilots looks even sillier, considering how it used to be done, and the recent horrible proof that a big airliner is itself a very deadly weapon.
The recent silly reluctance to arm airline pilots looks even sillier, considering how it used to be done, and the recent horrible proof that a big airliner is itself a very deadly weapon.
Orthonym
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Dammit, this is important! It used to be *understood*, not that long ago, that the Captain in charge of an aerospace vehicle was authorized to use deadly force when he thought it to be necessary, for protection of life and property.
Dammit, this is important! It used to be *understood*, not that long ago, that the Captain in charge of an aerospace vehicle was authorized to use deadly force when he thought it to be necessary, for protection of life and property.
Can'thavenuthingood
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It used to be *understood*, not that long ago, that the Captain in charge of an aerospace vehicle was authorized to use deadly force when he thought it to be necessary, for protection of life and property.
That statement can be applied to many things prior to a shift in the national psyche. Not really a shift but a drift towards the nanny state. Over time we have seen more insistence that government take care of us with less and less resistance to accompanying legislation to do so.
There was a time when someone made a threat on your life it was understood that you could do something about it at that moment. Theft of a horse meant a rope dance, property was able to be protected by the individual. There was a time when I was growing up if a kid said he was going to beat me up I could hit him first and be done with it. No more.
Over time the psyche gets fat and lazy and EXPECTS someone else to take care of them, then demands it of government.
Without going too deep I think we killed off most of the willingness to participate in a free society. Fewer folks see civil service as a duty to make a better country, instead its a great paycheck with superb benefits. All the control freaks are in positions of authority and insist you fetch a nipple and suckle. If anything happens IRT an airplane hijacking or terrorist actions its because the bureaucrats system for prevention is not yet fine tuned enough. More administrative regs will fix it. More kingdoms.
Now the government bureaucrats have their own little axe to grind or pet project to see thru and buddies in various NGO's milking the cash cow. Those same people are the ones deciding how we as citizens ought to spend our time and money as well as what we need and whats good for us, the little people.
I'll bet most of those pilots did not complain much if at all. Again we hear the squeaky wheel and government responds to quell and control. Gov is too big and cumbersome for conspiracies, its just a bunch of kingdoms tied together by politickers legislative attempts at control.
No one is really paying attention to this because it has no affect on their lives and is therefore not important.
Vick
That statement can be applied to many things prior to a shift in the national psyche. Not really a shift but a drift towards the nanny state. Over time we have seen more insistence that government take care of us with less and less resistance to accompanying legislation to do so.
There was a time when someone made a threat on your life it was understood that you could do something about it at that moment. Theft of a horse meant a rope dance, property was able to be protected by the individual. There was a time when I was growing up if a kid said he was going to beat me up I could hit him first and be done with it. No more.
Over time the psyche gets fat and lazy and EXPECTS someone else to take care of them, then demands it of government.
Without going too deep I think we killed off most of the willingness to participate in a free society. Fewer folks see civil service as a duty to make a better country, instead its a great paycheck with superb benefits. All the control freaks are in positions of authority and insist you fetch a nipple and suckle. If anything happens IRT an airplane hijacking or terrorist actions its because the bureaucrats system for prevention is not yet fine tuned enough. More administrative regs will fix it. More kingdoms.
Now the government bureaucrats have their own little axe to grind or pet project to see thru and buddies in various NGO's milking the cash cow. Those same people are the ones deciding how we as citizens ought to spend our time and money as well as what we need and whats good for us, the little people.
I'll bet most of those pilots did not complain much if at all. Again we hear the squeaky wheel and government responds to quell and control. Gov is too big and cumbersome for conspiracies, its just a bunch of kingdoms tied together by politickers legislative attempts at control.
No one is really paying attention to this because it has no affect on their lives and is therefore not important.
Vick
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I'd just like it to be OK to have a survival-gun in the rocket ship, if it happens to crash-land out in the boonies, somewhere.
Edit (aka PS) That is, without having to ask permission from the .gov first.
Edit (aka PS) That is, without having to ask permission from the .gov first.
Actually...
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erby FALs:
I wasn't remembering correctly. It was an obscure regulation.
"Interestingly, in the thicket of the Federal Aviation Regulations, there remained a little known and completely unused provision that allowed individual airlines to arm their pilots. Coincidentally, the FAA chose July of 2001 to start the process of removing that regulation from the books. The sad irony is that the process was completed in September of 2001. The very month that airliners were used as guided bombs was the month that the FAA made it official that no airline pilot could ever be armed.”
Very, very little was said about this post-911. It's hard to find anything on it.
End Quote]
My brother is airline pilot and there is quite a bit on the subject I posted on another thread here about it...
Here are a few links:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27765
http://www.secure-skies.org/
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242269
See post #19
[Quote
erby FALs:I wasn't remembering correctly. It was an obscure regulation.
"Interestingly, in the thicket of the Federal Aviation Regulations, there remained a little known and completely unused provision that allowed individual airlines to arm their pilots. Coincidentally, the FAA chose July of 2001 to start the process of removing that regulation from the books. The sad irony is that the process was completed in September of 2001. The very month that airliners were used as guided bombs was the month that the FAA made it official that no airline pilot could ever be armed.”
Very, very little was said about this post-911. It's hard to find anything on it.
End Quote]
My brother is airline pilot and there is quite a bit on the subject I posted on another thread here about it...
Here are a few links:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27765
http://www.secure-skies.org/
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242269
See post #19
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