Bushmaster ACR recall!

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The first question that comes to mind would be...has anyone on here experienced this problem personally or saw it happen?

Not any third party stories either.
 
The first question that comes to mind would be...has anyone on here experienced this problem personally or saw it happen?

Not any third party stories either.
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No. And I actually saw >300 rounds put through an ACR in mag dumps last weekend, including 30 of my own.

However, Bushmaster wouldn't be issuing a big recall if it wasn't a real problem.
 
I think the one at my local gun shop was finally sold, I don't remember seeing it the last time I was there. I'm pretty sure it was on the rack for at least four or five months at $2,500, it might still be there and I'm just so used to seeing that it didn't register to me whether it was there or not.

Seriously, what a flop the ACR has turned out to be. Nobody seems to have much interest in them because they seem so overpriced and now there is a recall on them. How sad because when I first learned that there was to be a civilian Masada I was so excited, that was until I learned that Shrubmaster was making them and they'd MSRP for well over $2k:(

If they can work out the bugs and get the price of the Enhanced version down to under $1,500 I MIGHT consider the ACR again.:rolleyes:
 
Hopefully the guns won't come back with a crappy 15 pound trigger installed.

Back in the early 80's my dad sent a Ruger Single Six back to Ruger for the no-charge trigger upgrade. The once perfect 2 pound crispy trigger got turned into a 10 pound gritty piece of **it!

Tony Rumore
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I don't think the trigger is the problem----components of the trigger group are time tested AR-type parts and a decidedly known factor.
I have seen reports of doubles and triples by a couple guys, happening when the bolt release is let go on some kinds of commercial ammunition. This bypasses the trigger altogether and could be disconcerting.
Nobody has reported a full blown bolt release mag dump, though---such a thing is probably just a lawyer's hallucination of disaster.
I tried to get mine to duplicate the results of the problem that cropped up in a post on the Firing Line---but it wouldn't malfunction, even using standard Remington primers in reloads.
In fact, I bought a lot of expensive commercial ammunition that I would ordinarily avoid, in order to force a slam fire that just isn't there in my Sweet Baby.

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Only $100 more than a SCAR and well worth it, haters.
-----krinko
 
Bushmaster is recalling the ACR due to a design flaw that can cause the rifle to malfunction and fire off the entire magazine at once.
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*Facepalm*:banghead: Wow, definitely not the type of malf you wanna have on an overly priced brand new design.
 
The trigger does seem to be an unlikely culprit, unless there is an error in pin hole spacing or some problem with the actual components in the FCG.

Still, as noted, it's not the first gun to have teething issues, which is why I never buy version 1.0 of anything. Anyone care to recall the initial issues with the M16?

Still, disappointing in a gun with this price tag.
 
Only $100 more than a SCAR and well worth it, haters.
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Depends on where you shop.

I paid with tax almost $2,700 for my SCAR and the ACR that was sitting on the rack next to it was $2,500. I went with the SCAR because the design has been out for a few years and it's been accepted and used as a military rifle. The ACR is a good design but it has yet to prove itself as a viable military rifle and has yet to be accepted by any military agency, in the US or abroad.

Besides I'd sooner pay $2,700 for something made by FN than $2,500 for something made by Bushmaster. Both rifles are more expensive than they should be but with anything FN I expect to pay more, I expect to pay less when it comes to anything Bushmaster. JMHO here.

Don't get me wrong I'm not an ACR hater and I'd still love to have one, I think the design is quite nice. However I wouldn't be willing to shell out more than $1,500 for one unless it were made by Colt, LMT, LWRC, or one of the companies that make top tier AR's. I just don't have a lot of faith in Bushmaster and I think this recall is a clear indication that the company cuts corners when it comes to manufacturing and quality control. Again JMHO
 
"I just don't have a lot of faith in Bushmaster and I think this recall is a clear indication that the company cuts corners when it comes to manufacturing and quality control"

Not as clear a logical connection there as you might think----I'm afraid there's a bit of anti-Bushmaster bias showing.
I've been off buying Sniders and Martinis and Webleys for a few years, so I don't have much background in the black rifle thing and I don't know why all you guys hate Bushmaster.
Did they used to eat babys or something?
-----krinko
 
Not as clear a logical connection there as you might think----I'm afraid there's a bit of anti-Bushmaster bias showing.
I've been off buying Sniders and Martinis and Webleys for a few years, so I don't have much background in the black rifle thing and I don't know why all you guys hate Bushmaster.
Did they used to eat babys or something?
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It's not that Bushmasters are all that bad, I owned a Bushy for a couple years and never had any real problems with it. One thing Bushmaster does a good job with is their barrels. However I didn't put a lot of rounds through it and that's probably why I never had any problems with it.

Bushmaster makes a really nice entry level AR and for most casual shooters who just take their AR-s out a couple times a month and put a couple hundred rounds downrange they will work just fine. However there is a big difference between the quality level of a Bushmaster AR-15 and one made by Colt, LWRC, LMT, BCM, Noveske, Daniel Defense and even S&W. What a lot of people don't understand is that there is good reason for people choosing to buy a top tier AR from say Colt, LMT, BCM or Daniel Defense and not a mid or low tier AR from say Bushmaster, DPMS or Olympic for example.

While Bushmaster may make a decent AR for the money they certainly don't make top tier AR's and if I'm going to spend $2k+ on an ACR I would be more comfortable doing so if I knew that company had a reputation for making top tier AR's.

On the flip side I will say this. You are getting a lot of Magpul parts on the ACR and when you factor in the cost and quality of Magpul products you really aren't overpaying by that much. If the ACR was completely Bushmaster and had no Magpul parts on it then I certainly wouldn't pay more than $1,200 on one. However since the ACR does have a lot of Magpul made parts I would be willing to spend a few hundred more for that reason alone.
 
Ah, I was waiting to for the hiccups. I was lucky enough to handle one of these before they were available to the General Public at the Orange County Gun Show. One of the vendors had one they were going to display at Shot Show a week or two after. Was not really impressed with it, felt almost like a toy. I would be afraid of dropping it, and scuffing it up if I did own one.
 
The size of a recall has nothing to do with it being a problem. Please note the recall on Ruger LCP's was prompted by 6 owners manipulating the weapons and negligently shooting pieces of furniture.

The AR fire control group is already known to have certain mechanical relationships that can cause the hammer to follow the bolt. If the disconnector slips at all, you can double, and there have been more posts on this forum about it than any first hand account of the ACR doing it. If the ACR uses AR parts, and it's considered to be junk, then are AR parts also junk? Again, more reports of bad LPKs than bad ACRs seem to indicate where the problem is.

I appreciate the whole package the AR has, but I'm not such a fanboy that any one gun is golden and wouldn't ever need improvement, or so naive that I'd expect a gun to come to market without some unique individual to "spill coffee" in their lap.

As for the ACR's price, check the collector Winchester 94's coming out at $1,900. A Bargain Bin at $599 - of which there were dozens at the gunshow last Sunday - is dirt cheap.

Of course, they use those POS AR parts in the trigger group, too, just like the lower in my closet.
 
Comparing the ACR to a proven system from FN, like the SCAR, price wise.......


I don't know what kind of person would buy a Bushmaster product over an FN product.

It boggles the mind.

The magpul rifle is legit. But the current manufacturer isn't. Seeing how a Bushmaster product is more likely subject to issues as seen with their AR15 replicas, there is no reason to purchase an ACR over a proven system with two million rounds through it in development, like the SCAR.

The only explaination is that the ACR is primarily being used as a range toy or collectors item.
 
I don't know what kind of person would buy a Bushmaster product over an FN product.

It boggles the mind.

The magpul rifle is legit. But the current manufacturer isn't.
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Bushmaster is actually a decent manufacturer. Not the very best, and not FNH, but they aren't Joe Bob's garage assembler either - they have actual engineers and make many of their own parts.

Now, I am one of the chief complainers calling them Shrubmaster. The reason is simple - the asking price is insultingly insane. I would have been fine with the rifle they produced at $1200, maybe even $1500, but asking the price of an OK used car, or two top-notch ARs plus accessories, that was outrageous.

BTW, Ruger has far too many recalls and I still consider them a pretty good manufacturer. Though I would think better of them if they had a lot fewer recalls.
 
"I don't know what kind of person would buy a Bushmaster product over an FN product."


A person who:

1.Thought the "Tuna", aka FS 2000, was a crime against nature.
2.Owned four FN 49 rifles with double shouldered chambers----a cheap, ugly patch done by FN to cure feeding problems and move product.
3.Bought FN .45ACP with the Berdan flash holes occluded by the punch-outs. Stripping eight rounds and removing the puch-outs stopped the misfires and hangfires-----but there were 1200 rounds in that case.
4.Doesn't like reciprocating cocking handles---a step backward for FN, don't you think?
5.Doesn't like the Euro pencil barrel---especially after the SIG556 experience.
6.Has fired both the SCAR and the ACR and judges a rifle on it's merits, as perceived personally, not on it's brand name.

I could go on, in fact I have gone on, haven't I?
FN isn't staffed, or owned by people who love you, it's a giant corporation that has had some quality control issues of it's own.
-----krinko
 
I am not an AR man, and I was excited by the Masada, and wanted one, but paying over $1000 for a rifle is just way too much money for me. When I saw the ACR price tag, I shrugged, and loaded some more ammo for my vz-58 - I could afford it.
Wish MagPul could take thier design back and try again...
 
A person who:

1.Thought the "Tuna", aka FS 2000, was a crime against nature.
2.Owned four FN 49 rifles with double shouldered chambers----a cheap, ugly patch done by FN to cure feeding problems and move product.
3.Bought FN .45ACP with the Berdan flash holes occluded by the punch-outs. Stripping eight rounds and removing the puch-outs stopped the misfires and hangfires-----but there were 1200 rounds in that case.
4.Doesn't like reciprocating cocking handles---a step backward for FN, don't you think?
5.Doesn't like the Euro pencil barrel---especially after the SIG556 experience.
6.Has fired both the SCAR and the ACR and judges a rifle on it's merits, as perceived personally, not on it's brand name.

I could go on, in fact I have gone on, haven't I?
FN isn't staffed, or owned by people who love you, it's a giant corporation that has had some quality control issues of it's own.
-----krinko
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The Bushmaster ACR is a commercial rifle made by a suspect manufacturer. The SCAR is made by a reputable manufacturer, whose rifle was also designed for SOCOM.

It is, what it is. Because both rifles are in the same price range, the SCAR would be a safer purchase.

You claim to have shot both and came to the conclusion that the ACR was the better rifle, and that's fine.

But don't ignore the intended market for both rifles. One being the ACR, is made for the public by a manufacturer who has a hard time following protocol for their other line of rifles. Second being the SCAR, is manufacturered by FN and designed for SOCOM with two millions rounds in development and also have made mil-spec M16 rifles, M249 and M240 machine guns for the US military.
 
krinko said:
6.Has fired both the SCAR and the ACR and judges a rifle on it's merits, as perceived personally, not on it's brand name.
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I've shot/handled both the Bushmaster ACR & FN SCAR-16S and if I had to choose one based on their merits/handling/accuracy, I would choose the SCAR everytime.

However, both the Bushmaster ACR & FN SCAR-16S are not that great of an improvement to warrant replacement of a top-end direct-impingment AR15 type rifle.
 
I have an ACR and sent it back on Nov. 3. Not only did I send it back because of the safety recall but also because the bolt carrier group would not slide back into the upper receiver without using a small flathead screwdriver to push in the firing pin retaining pin, which was sticking out slightly due to an O-ring and was catching on rails in the upper receiver. I wrote Bushy an email saying how annoyed I was and asked for a a free quad rail forearm...I'm still waiting.
 
We sold 2 at the shop I work at before the recall. I do all returns there and the reason they were so willing to help was because they knew if people found out that they were turning full auto that they would not want to return them for repair. One of the one's we sold has still not been returned to bushmaster as of yesterday.
 
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