CA AB 962 signed into law

[ArmedBear]

California murder rate, 2006: 6.8/100,000
Idaho murder rate, 2006: 2.5/100,000

California's 10-day waiting period, 1 handgun per month, no private gun transfers, handgun registration, trigger locks, magazine size limits, gun bans, CCW only for the rich and famous, and other anti-gun measures sure are saving lives.

 

[mboylan]

Very similar restrictions to the federal level GCA of 1968. Good thing that the ammo restrictions were lifted with the FOPA of 1986. People would be really POed if we had to pay early 80s ammo prices adjusted for inflation.

I don't see a 2nd amendment lawsuit coming out of this. The NRA will have to look for something else to sue over before this goes into effect in 2011.

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

mboylan,

The CGF take is that the law attempts to control interstate commerce and is similar to another case that was decided to be a conflict with Federal preemption. Wouldn't fly if 962 were a Federal bill, but this is a state trying to step in on interstate commerce.

 

[mboylan]

Yes. Interstate commerce is a good angle. I think the FOPA could be another angle. 2nd amendment unfortunately is not.

 

[freakshow10mm]

There is also a bill in the works with an amendment to repeal AB962 with one sentence. Most likely that will pass and we hope that the "other side" doesn't take notice until it's too late.

 

[cbrgator]

There is also a bill in the works with an amendment to repeal AB962 with one sentence. Most likely that will pass and we hope that the "other side" doesn't take notice until it's too late.

Is Arnold really going to sign a bill that repeals a bill he JUST signed?

 

[ManBearPig]

Wow. Thank God I don't live in California. I can't believe any gun owner in their right mind would stay there.........especially now. Get out of the People's Republic and come to a gun friendly state!

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

Dunno, we have a slew of fine shooting ranges here in the SF Bay area and a nice range with the Hogue competition range in Moro Bay. Not sure I want to leave those.

 

[tube_ee]

To all of you up on your high horses

about how we all oughta just move out of California (or whatever stupid way you want to misspell the name of our State)...

Get bent.

First, and foremost, what passes muster here will pass muster elsewhere, so you're not as safe in the so-called "free states" as you smugly think you are. All it will take is a shift in the sentiments of your fellow citizens to land you right where we are... and if our stupid laws stand up in court, so will yours.

Second, we fought this. The campaign against the handgun ammo law and the public venue gunshow ban was the strongest I've yet seen from the California gun owners community. We won one, and we lost one, but not only was this the most unified I've ever seen CA gunnies be, but even two years ago, we would have been ignored, both by our elected representatives, and by the in-state organizations that purport to defend our rights. Even though we lost on the ammo law, even two years ago, we would never have stopped the gun show ban. This is progress, and progress worth celebrating.

The CalGuns Foundation and their actions have produced a sea change in CA gun politics.

We now have a CA Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms that has been basically emasculated by our Democratic Attorney General.

We have the whole Off-List Lower phenomenon, where not only are any AR lowers not specifically named in the law legal to own, but the State is prohibited from adding new lowers to the list. There are more AR-variant rifles in California now than there were before the ban... more, in fact, than in any other state.

Our Democratic Attorney General filed an amicus brief urging SCOTUS to grant cert in the McDonald case.

The 9th Circuit ruled (currently held in suspension pending McDonald) that the 2nd Amendment, as defined in Heller, was Incorporated under the 14th Amendment's "due process" clause.

The "safe handgun roster" is being challenged in Federal court, as is California's byzantine "may issue" CCW permit system, where the place where you live determines whether or not you can get a permit. (And the places often make no sense by common political definitions... In Humboldt County, dominated by Greens and "green", it's no harder than in Idaho, while in Republican-dominated San Diego County, it's well-nigh impossible).

Both the California Rifle and Pistol Association and the CA NRA have had a 180-degree turnaround in the makeup of their boards, and in their strategies and tactics. So effective has this campaign to reclaim those organizations been, that the former chief lobbyist for the CRPA is suing the CalGuns Foundation for defamation and loss of business, because a thread on the calguns.net website exposed her total ineffectiveness, even her working against our interests, and caused her removal... along with all of the ineffective "old guard" in that organization. We kicked their butts to the curb, and they're pissed.

The fight is here.

It will be won here.

I'm staying.

--Shannon

 

[kiko1]

Shannon,

I'm an ex-Californian, and as sick of the ridiculous politics there as anyone. I totally agree with you, however, that one can't simply bad mouth everyone who lives there. As you state, many folks are trying hard to effect change. If you give up, you're done.

I think your response was one of the more thoughtful and informed on this subject that I have seen.

Thanks. and best of luck with your efforts to make intelligent change.

 

[ManBearPig]

No Tube__ee, it will not pass muster everywhere else. Yes, there are some states, such as Illinois and New York, that are hostile enough towards the 2nd Amendment, that they would pass it. However, pro-2nd Amendment states, such as my state of Missouri, will never pass it. The Brady Campaign has tried pushing it's "assault weapon bans" and ammo bills down many pro-gun states, such as Missouri, and we've all given the Brady's the middle finger and shown them the door. They will go state to state, and they will get the finger in the pro-gun states that will refuse to pass it, while getting a welcome in the VERY FEW states that are just as hostile to gun owners as the People's Republic Of California. And since we own congress, because of our leash on the Blue Dogs making them bark when we say to bark, they can't go federal with their stupid ammo bill.

 

[SammyIamToday]

First, and foremost, what passes muster here will pass muster elsewhere, so you're not as safe in the so-called "free states" as you smugly think you are. All it will take is a shift in the sentiments of your fellow citizens to land you right where we are... and if our stupid laws stand up in court, so will yours.

Except my state has actually done the exact opposite and continually makes things more gun friendly. For example, the Fish and Wildlife department just recently changed regulations so that if you have a CCW, you can carry it and it doesn't have to comply with hunting laws. I.E. I can carry my HK P7 during muzzleloader season as long as I don't use it on deer.

So, in reality, you should leave if you can't change your state. There are plenty of states that are doing good things and have a track record of doing good things for over a decade now.

Don't project your state's woes onto others who are factually correct.

 

[freakshow10mm]

No Tube__ee, it will not pass muster everywhere else. Yes, there are some states, such as Illinois and New York, that are hostile enough towards the 2nd Amendment, that they would pass it. However, pro-2nd Amendment states, such as my state of Missouri, will never pass it.

This arrogant BS is exactly what he is talking about. We also thought Obama didn't have a chance and look what happened.

The Brady Campaign has tried pushing it's "assault weapon bans" and ammo bills down many pro-gun states, such as Missouri, and we've all given the Brady's the middle finger and shown them the door. They will go state to state, and they will get the finger in the pro-gun states that will refuse to pass it, while getting a welcome in the VERY FEW states that are just as hostile to gun owners as the People's Republic Of California.

You have this convoluted sense of reality that "pro 2A" states are immune to anti-gun legislation.

And since we own congress, because of our leash on the Blue Dogs making them bark when we say to bark, they can't go federal with their stupid ammo bill.

Yeah, I bet.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Except my state has actually done the exact opposite and continually makes things more gun friendly. For example, the Fish and Wildlife department just recently changed regulations so that if you have a CCW, you can carry it and it doesn't have to comply with hunting laws. I.E. I can carry my HK P7 during muzzleloader season as long as I don't use it on deer.

Wow. Big change there.

So, in reality, you should leave if you can't change your state. There are plenty of states that are doing good things and have a track record of doing good things for over a decade now.

What the hell will that do? Exactly what the anti gun people of ANY state want. No gun owners. Instead of you advising people to leave, how about you, as a proud gun owner who is valiantly defeating anti gun bills, move INTO California and help out your fellow gun owner by voting? Didn't think so.

Don't project your state's woes onto others who are factually correct.

Your state, nor any state, is not much to talk about either.

 

[ManBearPig]

The People's Republic should just admit that they are an off-shoot of the UK and call themselves the "Ban It" state. Between this ammo bill, their Assault Weapon Ban, their "approved handgun list", the way they tried to ban home-schooling not too long ago (just for a sneaky way of forcing kids to have no choice but to be schooled in their liberal marching machines for schools), and now they are in the middle of an attempt to ban big screen tvs, they are simply following in the steps of the UK in limiting individual freedom and personal choice. The state defines the very definition of people who's solution to everything is to ban it.

 

[freakshow10mm]

You obviously haven't read much and it shows by your comments. People such as yourself aren't worth informing because the only facts you will know are the ones you make up in your head.

 

[ManBearPig]

Freakshow, you must live in California; so I understand why you are frustrated and angry. Being limited to buying either the ugliest looking "AR" in the world or one with a fixed magazine will do that do a person; as will being finger printed for buying ammo.

I tell you what, buddy. Either today or tomorrow my .45 Kriss rifle (the civilian version of the military's new .45 Kriss SMG) will be arriving (after waiting a year for it) at my local gun store for me to pick up. When I go to the range for it's breaking in, I'll shoot off a mag just for you since you can't have one in the People's Republic. Feel better?

 

[mec]

One problem I see is that ammo will become even harder to find in border areas like here in Vegas

And elsewhere. Californians now have about a year to hoard billions of rounds of ammo including mail order reloading supplies. This should extend the current ammunition shortage and the unavailability of primers into the distant future.

 

[Thecrazedorganist]

Freakshow, you must live in California; so I understand why you are frustrated and angry. Being limited to buying either the ugliest looking "AR" in the world or one with a fixed magazine will do that do a person; as will being finger printed for buying ammo.

I tell you what, buddy. Either today or tomorrow my .45 Kriss rifle (the civilian version of the military's new .45 Kriss SMG) will be arriving (after waiting a year for it) at my local gun store for me to pick up. When I go to the range for it's breaking in, I'll shoot off a mag just for you since you can't have one in the People's Republic. Feel better?

Regarding your AR snipe, it's very sad that you're so hung up on cosmetics. The Monsterman Grip/Bullet Button represent the ingenuity and determination of Californians who didn't flee the state when Big Brother tried to grab our guns. And thanks to those people who stayed here to fight, we now have access to a very accurate and dependable (well, mostly) weapons platform. We didn't roll over and take it when Roberti-Roos was passed, and we're not gonna roll over and take it now that AB962 has passed. Can you say the same? You sound like a blowhard and a coward to me.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Freakshow, you must live in California; so I understand why you are frustrated and angry. Being limited to buying either the ugliest looking "AR" in the world or one with a fixed magazine will do that do a person; as will being finger printed for buying ammo.

I'm in Michigan, Sherlock. I shoot my ARs on full auto and preferable suppressed.

I tell you what, buddy. Either today or tomorrow my .45 Kriss rifle (the civilian version of the military's new .45 Kriss SMG) will be arriving (after waiting a year for it) at my local gun store for me to pick up. When I go to the range for it's breaking in, I'll shoot off a mag just for you since you can't have one in the People's Republic. Feel better?

 

[cbrgator]

This thread is descending into crap. Let's stop bickering and start discussing how we can work together to change it.

 

[mboylan]

No Tube__ee, it will not pass muster everywhere else. Yes, there are some states, such as Illinois and New York, that are hostile enough towards the 2nd Amendment, that they would pass it. However, pro-2nd Amendment states, such as my state of Missouri, will never pass it. The Brady Campaign has tried pushing it's "assault weapon bans" and ammo bills down many pro-gun states, such as Missouri, and we've all given the Brady's the middle finger and shown them the door. They will go state to state, and they will get the finger in the pro-gun states that will refuse to pass it, while getting a welcome in the VERY FEW states that are just as hostile to gun owners as the People's Republic Of California. And since we own congress, because of our leash on the Blue Dogs making them bark when we say to bark, they can't go federal with their stupid ammo bill.[/Q

Well, between 1968 and 1986 Federal Law on ammo was really similar to this. Would have to reverse some of the FOPA to go Federal.

 

[ManBearPig]

FreakShow, there is nowhere in the nation that a civilian can legally get a full auto Kriss, because it was invented way way after 1986. However, in Missouri, we can purchase NFA firearms.

The pros of owning a NFA weapon are the coolness factor. You've got yourself a full auto with a supressor. That's twice the cool. However the cons of owning a NFA weapon and/or a suppressor are being on a government list so they know where you are and what you own. I choose not to own a NFA weapon and/or accessories just for that reason. Which is the same reason I choose not to apply for a conceal & carry permit. But if I wanted to, I could afford it and would be legally able to do just the same as you in Missouri.

And yes, the military does use it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2kEg8rEPl8

 

[BHP FAN]

I was BORN here.Most of the hippies moved here,from other states.I have been waiting patiently for them all to move back to YOUR states,but I'm beginning to think maybe I'll just move to Idaho,or Nevada.

 

[Zoogster]

And I don't want to here any Commiefornians complaining about it either. You guys keep voting these people into office!

Well unfortunately you often are given the choice of bad, or worse.

Who do you want, Gray Davis (anti-gunner) Cruz Bustamante (extremely strong anti guner) or Arnold Schwarzenegger (Banned the .50 BMG, passed microstamping requirements, passed lead ban, passed this new law requiring handgun ammo be sold with numerous new restrictions, but less anti-gun than the previous 2).

There is many similar options all across the state. You get a choice between bad or worse.

Vote Arnold out of office? Guess who will be the primary candidate to oppose and run against him? A left leaning Democrat that will be even more anti-gun. That is how it usually works, he is a Republican, so the candidate most likely to replace him when the population is tired of him will be a Democrat.

The Democrat will then further raise taxes on virtually everything to "balance the budget", and be even worse than Arnold on many issues besides gun laws.
Most of the legislator is trying to raise taxes on anything they can, and if not for Arnold they would have proceeded much easier. Every government employee union has made him out to be the worst guy in the world because he is actually making cuts to government spending rather than just raising taxes.
Government absolutely hates to shrink, and people that force it are painted as traitors by others in government. Government would be what virtually the entire economy was based around if allowed to grow as they want.

So do you want bad or worse. Isn't a two party democracy great?