Bfh_auto said:We all know how many times people on here argue using 55 gr bullets in 223 won't kill deer. But 62s and up will.
I'm the loophole guy, Benelli r1 with barrels in .270 wsm, .308/.30-06/.300 wm(if you must) and .338 wm, a Savage in .243/6cm (varmints targets etc) with spare barrels in 6.5 cm and .22-250, your handgun for small game at ranges too close to justify the .243/.22-250, and a beautiful Winchester or Ruger in .375 or .416 for 'Murica!
OR
ar-15 with uppers in .223 Wylde, 6.5 Grendel, .224 valk, .458 soccom, .450 bm(in case you go straight wall), handgun cuz, and aforementioned dg rifle.....gotcha down to 2 rifles now, throw in a heavy target bolt for fun if you wantlegality may vary by state..........ar legality may vary by state.
Still breaking my heart with these constraints just for the record.
Bfh_auto said:We all know how many times people on here argue using 55 gr bullets in 223 won't kill deer. But 62s and up will.
entropy said:I'm surprised there was enough left to do a full body mount. My stepmom had one as a pet when she lived in Kenya, they are small!
A 270 w/150 gr. bullet becomes a 30-06 and a 30-06 w/125 0r 130 gr bullet becomes a 270. VV
View attachment 9266915 shot groups benched @ 100 yds. 125 gr NBT @ 3050 fps. Center group measured .665" . First group, low right measured .65"
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hps
I have, but (too) seldom shoot .22 RF, used both 223 & 243 WSSM AR's for coyote, hog control & culling small S TX whitetails (best coyote medicine on the planet IMO) until land owner banned AR's on his ranches (broke my heart, too). Looked for a 243 or 308 bolt gun to replace the AR's and found a .308 Savage scout first. Short, light and the 308 w/110 gr. Varmageddon, or even 125 gr NBT, is very close to ballistics of the 243 and really smacks the coyotes. (Fur not good in S TX, so the 243 or 308 is perfect, even at longer ranges & buck wind much better than the .223).
So, the 416 Rem is too big for turkey?
Garandimal said:...and have no qualms what so ever w/ the .30-06/ 180 gr... out of my 10.5 lb. M1 Rifle.
Someone shot up a sounder of wild hogs, leaving several wounded animals for landowner and foreman to put out of their misery. Landowner expects better from his hunters and, understandably, was very upset about the situation. Finding a bunch of 5.56 brass scattered around, he apparently assumed the rifle was an AR and acted accordingly. I can only hope the perpetrators were banned as well, but he may not have been able to identify the perps; it is a very large ranch. Of course, I would have preferred that route than banning the rifle, but he is a very principled person and it is his land. I fully understand his rage at the totally unacceptable actions of the slobs responsible.Why did the land owner ban AR's? Thanks.
What kind of .416 Remington Magnum is that? I had been wanting a .416 Rigby, but after doing more research, it seems that the .416 Rem Mag might be a more logical choice, due to the ammunition apparently being more readily available and less expensive, though I'm not exactly sure why that is the case. Thanks.
ARs are not the only semi auto rifle that shoots 5.56x45mm... There also the Mini-14 as well and many others. I personally would make sure that any shot I fire will kill the animal cleanly and follow said prey to make a second shot if needed if the first one doesn't. Now I don't have any actual hunting experience, but been around enough hunters to know that it is important to do this.Someone shot up a sounder of wild hogs, leaving several wounded animals for landowner and foreman to put out of their misery. Landowner expects better from his hunters and, understandably, was very upset about the situation. Finding a bunch of 5.56 brass scattered around, he apparently assumed the rifle was an AR and acted accordingly. I can only hope the perpetrators were banned as well, but he may not have been able to identify the perps; it is a very large ranch. Of course, I would have preferred that route than banning the rifle, but he is a very principled person and it is his land. I fully understand his rage at the totally unacceptable actions of the slobs responsible.
It is a RUM, which he chose for same reasons you state, and he has been very happy with the choice.
Regards,
hps
ARs are not the only semi auto rifle that shoots 5.56x45mm... There also the Mini-14 as well and many others. I personally would make sure that any shot I fire will kill the animal cleanly and follow said prey to make a second shot if needed if the first one doesn't. Now I don't have any actual hunting experience, but been around enough hunters to know that it is important to do this.
How does he feel about hunting handguns? Single shot Rifles and Pistols?I know, all the constant "assault rifle" rants, I guess. He takes hunter ethics very seriously, as I do, so I understand where he's coming from.
A retired government trapper and I have done ADC for him on three ranches totaling over 20,000 acres in three counties for many years. He knows my favorite rifle for that purpose was an AR and, try as I might, I couldn't talk him into grandfathering mine. It was a sad day for me to step back to a bolt gun, but I do respect his goal of enforcing high hunter ethical standards. It's a shame that some do not conduct themselves in an ethical manner in the field and cast a shadow over the rest of us.
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hps
How does he feel about hunting handguns? Single shot Rifles and Pistols?
Well he could require a minimum caliber size.I don't know if handguns or SS rifles have ever come up, but I did ask about archery, as my son was an accomplished archer, having hunted plains game in Africa and he said that would be fine, although I've not seen anyone else use a bow over the past 20 years, at least. Primarily, he is a strict fair chase hunter and expects others to behave accordingly. I totally agree, and not finishing of wounded animals is disgusting.
I did notice I failed to complete the following sentence in my previous post:
I know, all the constant "assault rifle" rants, I guess. He takes hunter ethics very seriously, as I do, so I understand where he's coming from, I just wish he had targeted the perpetrators, not the perceived firearm.
Regards,
hps
Well he could require a minimum caliber size.
Those'd probably cover it in a pinch, if for some very odd reason those were all you could get. I can't imagine a scenario in which someone who could afford to hunt game that required something like a .416 Rigby would be limited to only 3 rifles though.While we can agree that the Sportsman's Guide list is inadequate, would most of you agree with the conclusion drawn from it, that, if you could hypothetically only have three rifles, you would pretty much have all your bases covered with .22 LR, .30-06 and .416 Rigby?
The Few your friend had to deal with give Hunting a bad name.I'd hate to see that. Personally, I'd regulate bad behavior (which he does to a large extent*), not hardware, but unfortunately I don't get to make the rules . *Almost all of his rules govern behavior, not hardware, and that's a good thing.
For instance, I used the .223 AR for ADC for years and when asked to cull hogs, then whitetail does I did so in conjunction with my ADC efforts. The .223 is perfectly adequate for all three, but careful shot placement is required, and not all shots should be taken. IMO, too many rely on larger caliber to make up for misplaced shots with questionable results.
Running a hunting operation is not an easy task. I managed a hunting lease for over 20 years. Started out with a handshake and a few basic reminders. Hunters of that era had mostly grown up hunting with their mentors, and understood the ethics expected and adhered to by most. With passing years, a rule was added here and there until I found it necessary to provide a set of written rules as new hunters came along, some of which had not had the benefit of growing up around a hunting camp. The last few years, it seemed that what had been basic in years past had to be added to the written rules and required a heavier hand occasionally to enforce the rules. I'm glad I no longer have to make the rules.
Regards,
hps
That is a very good point.Those'd probably cover it in a pinch, if for some very odd reason those were all you could get. I can't imagine a scenario in which someone who could afford to hunt game that required something like a .416 Rigby would be limited to only 3 rifles though.