Caliber war if you were limited

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9 is ok, my XD40sc has more muzzle flip than my steel 1911 45.

Are we talking steel guns vs steel guns?

At self defense ranges with all things being equal except the cartridge I'd be waffling between .40 and 45. Then I'd choose the .45
 
if your worried about caliber and capacity you need more practice and training.what gun you carry means little.it's the software that will keep you alive.
that said I have no problem carrying my taurus 905. 5 shots 9mm and I don't even use +p.
 
I'd choose the 45 ACP in model 1911. Ammo, magazines, and parts are available. It has good stopping power in a self defense situation. Need more if you are around bears or other large aminals and...

It can be silenced in a doomsday scenario. :rolleyes:
 
If I were limited to 5 rounds I'd forget about self-loaders entirely and carry a .41 magnum or .357 magnum revolver. However, if I'm limited to a choice between 9mm, .40 S&W , or .45 ACP, then give me the .45 ACP.
 
If I were limited to 5 rounds I'd forget about self-loaders entirely and carry a .41 magnum or .357 magnum revolver.
This is the correct answer. The reason I carry a self-loading 9mm is capacity. If capacity goes away, I go back to a revolver.
 
Thank you all for playing so far.

I was hoping for a few more responses though :(

Do I have to reveal my hand now or any more want to ante up?
 
RE: 9mm vs 40 S&W vs 45 ACP vs Other

("Other" includes 38 Special, 357 Magnum, various other magnums, 10mm, 45 Colt, etc)

Doesn't matter with high quality defensive ammunition.

I'm not going to provide citations because it's a HUGE topic with lots of controversy. You must do the research yourself. Just remain skeptical and keep in mind that "foot pounds of energy" and "ballistic gelatin" tests do not necessarily translate into excellent terminal ballistics.
 
...it's a HUGE topic with lots of controversy. You must do the research yourself. Just remain skeptical...

I don't know what the OP's intent is for this thread, but what crebralfix said above is ultimately what any caliber discussion boils down to.

Most of what you read on forums and the like are people's opinion or preference which is all too often based on too little fact. And many will simply look for evidence that supports what they want to believe instead of searching for all information about the subject regardless of whether it supports or contradicts their opinion.

In my case, when I started getting interested in guns, I believed that the 9mm was the best round hands down. I liked it. It was the first caliber I shot with regularity. But I kept an open mind and asked questions and learned what was and wasn't good about the 9mm.

And I found my information not only on forums, but with those who have had far more experience with more calibers than I have (i.e. military personnel, law enforcement, firearm experts).

And what I have heard from them the most is: practice, comfort with a gun and caliber, knowledge of your firearm, and practice. The people I talk to often favor a caliber, but they always include that caveat.

I said that if I could have 5 rounds of any caliber and I didn't have to worry about going deaf or blind at night, I'd go with 44 magnum. Why did I say 44 magnum? Why not? I like the 44 because I can use it in a wheel gun and lever action. And because the OP's question is so open ended (no offense meant, just pointing out the obvious), I simply chose a practical round that has some added versatility.

Since choosing a caliber depends on so many things (gun type, person shooting the gun, intended use, cost, etc.), not having that information somewhat cripples the discussion.
 
Reasons I can think of for each caliber:

.45: Bigger is better. The round is generally in heavier weights that either of the other two. This also makes it harder to carry spare ammo than the other two.
Decent ammo selection that is available almost everywhere due to the popularity of the round. I have never seen wallyworld out of all .45.
Recoil to me is a gentle push instead of a snap to me, but Im not recoil sensitive.
Ammo is the most expensive between the 3 (I think, I dont know much about the cost of .40 ammo)

.40: The hybrid. As some may know the .40 was developed from the 10mm round. The FBI had a lot to do with driving the development of this round because they wanted a gun with more power and still be the around the size of a 9mm (think femail officers and small handed individuals).
It is a hot round. Thus it has more kinetic energy that the 9mm and can have more kinetic energy than the .45 depending on specific loading. I suspect if you compare apples to apples you will ware out a .40 before you ware out a 9mm or .45 but this should be irrelevant in a quality fire arm.
Of the 3 I would say this is the worse round in terms of ammo avability. I have seen wallyworld be totally out of .40. I feel as there is less .40 that either 9mm or .45 in this country. However due to popularity, ammo if reality available although it doesn't have as much of a selection of the other two rounds.
Recoil is a bit snappy to my wife the few times she shot one. It felt a bit harder recoiling than my .45 and I guess snappy would be a good word to describe it.
I think pricing for ammo would be just order .45 pricing.

9mm. 9mm has been around for a long time. While some question is capability other have throurally embraced it.
It is the cheapest round by far. The round is considered to be the cheapest center fire round (along with .38) which mean more practice is possible and better hits are the end result.
Recoil is generally a non issue for most shooters.
9mm can be had in smaller sizes making for better comfort when CCW.
The round is EVERYWHERRE, go to ________ insert random country and try to buy 9mm, .40 and .45 and see what you can get.
The round is available in almost any loading you can think of for its standard bullet weights.
Shooting new HP designs will give you great results. The 9mm of 25 years ago did not have the power, modern rounds are g2g.
Once again I have never seen wallyworld totally out of 9mm


In all these I left out anything to do with capacity & I use wallyworld as a benchmark as to how the round has been embraced by the general population.
 
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The reason I'm inquiring

Ok, thanks all.

Now the meaning behind my madness.


As I suspected, the majority answer was .45, a few 9's and even fewer 40's.

I don't have any issue with what was chosen or why. Everyone has their criteria, and has to choose what best meets those.

The reason I was asking was to compare the answers of knowledgeable people here to what I believe is an anomaly here, and looking for some explanation for this anomaly.

I live in CA which you all know has 10 round capacity limit. I know more than my 5 but I wanted to limit the capacity as a factor.

I've been visiting the gun shops more than I should admit too in the past year.
I know that the majority of 45's are 1911 style and not the full 10 rounds, but there are 10 round options available.

I'm perplexed about why the 40's are the number one sellers, at least in my area.

I'd say that maybe 65-70% of the people I see making their purchases are maybe first-time owners.

I'm curious what factors could be influencing what I believe to be an anomaly.

Do they plan on obtaining higher capacity magazines, which begs the question what the point of that law is?

The shop owners often seem to recommend the 40 (from what I can overhear) so are they getting some kick-back?

Are people going based on info they read/hear that maybe perfectly applicable in other parts of the country but not so much here?


Please keep in mind I'm not questioning the choice of 40. I'm just trying to understand why here in CA where capacity has been virtually eliminated from the equation, why the .45 isn't the most common choice, and why the 40 is overwhelmingly chosen when the "normal" arguments aren't applied.
What I would expect is .45 to be the #1 choice if cost isn't a factor, or 9mm if cost is or some other factor like it being the most common worldwide. I would expect the 40 to be the least, and only chosen for a few with specific reasons.
 
Well, if you have a 10 round limit, you definitely lose one significant advantage of the 9mm over the .40 in several otherwise identically sized platforms. And in .45, you aren't reaching the maximum capacity with most guns, with few exceptions which are all very much larger than .40/9mm brethren. I'd say it boils down to the average hand size.

In CA you cannot CCW. So concealment is a non factor. So it's between a maxed out .40 which is a normal sized pistol, or a .45 capped out at 7-8 rounds in a normal sized pistol. Then there's the much larger gripped .45 for only 2 extra rounds... The 9mm and the .45 are both gimped pretty bad by CA law if you look at is from this angle.

.40: maximum limit (10) of the most powerful rounds you can get in a standard sized pistol.

If I could only get 10 rounds into the Glock 21, I woulda gotten a P220, instead. But maybe there are some others who would choose a smaller framed .40 if faced with the same dilemna.
 
88 magnum.



:p

but seriously: 9mm. It's accurate, it's cheaper, and the difference between the 9mm, 40, and 45 is very negligible.
 
.45. Bigger hole, lots of experience shooting the round.

Practically speaking, my carry pistol is a 5 shot revolver in .357, so I guess in a way saying I would pick .45 is a lie from the get-go!
 
The .40 and .45 both have very good stopping power, with the .45 slightly leading, I believe.

The 40's advantage might be better penetration, for instance, if you need to shoot and the guy has winter clothing on, or his arms blocking. Thus the .40 would be a safer bet, in case you need a bit of extra penetration.
 
+ 1 Gloob

With your average .45, your only get 7 or 8 rounds, with the .40 you can get all 10 (which the OP is actually limited to, not his hypothetical question)

You can "pack" the most in a .40 is what it would boil down to in my eye.

But I have big hands and would still go for the .45.
 
"I'm perplexed about why the 40's are the number one sellers, at least in my area.

I'd say that maybe 65-70% of the people I see making their purchases are maybe first-time owners."


My theory, and the reason I bought a .40 for my first, is that a new shooter with no practical experience is making a decision based on what looks good on paper. They read about police departments upgrading to .40 from 9mm, and conclude that the 9mm isn't powerfull enough. American folk lore leads them to believe that a .45 is too powerful for a novice, and something to work up to. The .40 becomes the default.
 
9mm. Because it is the one I am most familiar. That would change if I owned a 1911 (or maybe not).
 
"With your average .45, your only get 7 or 8 rounds, with the .40 you can get all 10 (which the OP is actually limited to, not his hypothetical question) "

Since the 1911 is designed to be "cocked & locked", an 8 round mag + 1 in the chamber. Close enough to 10 for me.
 
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