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Why these California Bills are a good idea...

These two bills, when passed into law, will greatly increase the civil discontent and more rapidly lead to Revolution and the reestablishment of our Constitution. Brevity in warfare being the most humane way of accomplishing Revolution...let us pray for a quick beginning and an even quicker end to the conflict that is upon us. The more insane our politicians...the sooner we shall get to work.
 
Being too lazy to read the proposed laws, what 'bout shotguns? How many 22 rounds did YOU pop last year? I went thru 12-13 bricks, PLUS a coupla' thousand 22mag. The AR/Mini-14/remy 788 used up about 4k in new ammo, Mini-30 went thru 2 cases of wolfie, and believe I reloaded 800 22-250 (sounds like a cool phone # :D ) rounds. I know that I've left out some other cartridges, but the point I'm trying to make is the absuridity of that database. The shotgun question is very valid, let's see a show of hands on everyone who reloaded a minimun of 2k 12ga. for league/practice last year, Holy crap :eek: - that's a lot of people. I personally believe the sheer volume of information will overwhelm the system capacity and resources, then the actions of the politicians to recoup will be even more asnine. I forgot to add the 2-3k in .308 that went thru the fal's. BTW-I don't get the pleasure of squeezing the trigger on all of those rounds, but a lot of kids sure smiled when they did. :cool:
 
How...do you serialize a .22LR bullet?
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Drop packets of 5 or 10 rounds into every box of Cap'n Crunch? Maybe as a special bonus, put 100 rounds in every 100th box? :)
 
I'm chuckling now. Coming from my "high and mighty" position here in Florida, where we still have unmolested C&R licenses, .50 BMG rifles, Title III firearms, and the '94 AWB really did expire, I dare say that the PRK's ammo serialization experiment is a long ways off for those of us in the free states.
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Keep whistling in the dark and hope the bogeyman doesn't get you. You made my point. Your so-called 'free' states are subject to change with the political climate. Even inane ideas floated, but not legislated here, are sometimes codified by other states. Look at Maryland's failed 'ballistics fingerprinting'. :rolleyes: Not to mention y'all are subject to Federal regulation, and it's just a matter of time before the leftists re-take both the Congress and the White House. Just because you're in {insert your favorite 'free state' name here} doesn't mean you're not on the gun grabber's list.

As far as SB23, I'm still seeing .50 BMG's, AK's and other assorted banned 'assault weapons' here and there around the state. Ammo serialization won't be any more effective.
 
Your so-called 'free' states are subject to change with the political climate.
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How true, Riley. Because as the politics of Kal grows more insane, the more Californians abandon ship and move east or north. They take their politics/sentiments with them. And many liberal Californians are moving, you guessed it, to the conservative states.
 
And many liberal Californians are moving, you guessed it, to the conservative states.
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Consider it payback for all the liberals that moved here from other states in the 60's and 70's and ruined things for us.
:evil: :neener:

I find liberal statists to be like locusts. They swarm in, consume, destroy, then move on to the next green field.
 
Uh, serializing bullets is not going to be cheap. Would manufacturers have to raise prices across the country to cover the c0sts 0f the gear?
 
Consider it payback for all the liberals that moved here from other states in the 60's and 70's and ruined things for us.
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Ain't it the truth, Ben. Barbara Boxer, enemy of the 2nd amendment, born in Brooklyn, NY. Gray Davis, Bronx, NY. Terminator, Austria. Charles Manson, Cincinnati, Ohio.
 
Just crunching the numbers and letters.

SB 357 Serialized handgun ammunition.
Ayes 21. 21 Dem.
Noes 18. 2 Dem. 16 Rep.
Not voting. 1 Dem.

AB 352
Require Microstamping of fired cases.
Ayes 41. 41 Dem
Noes 38. 7 Dem. 31 Rep.
Not voting. 1 Dem.

hth
K.
 
Keyster,

This is the house, is that right? It now goes to the senate? And isn't the senate the real test of gun control laws for California?
 
This is cut and pasted from a NRA Alert.
Not sure if this answers your question.

K.

CALIFORNIA
Anti-gun legislation, Senate Bill 357, was voted out of the Senate and is to be considered in the Assembly.
This bill would establish a program requiring serialization of handgun ammunition to be enforced by the Department of Justice.
The manufacture, transfer, and possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition after July 1, 2007, would be considered a crime.
SB 357 would also require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with the Department of Justice.
Please contact members of the Assembly and ask them to oppose SB 357. Assembly Members can be reached at (916) 319-20 (plus your 2-digit district number for the last two numbers). Please make the call today!

Assembly Bill 352 was voted out of the Assembly and now moves to the Senate.
AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semi-automatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with an array of microscopic characters which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol by imprinting the characters on each cartridge case when the firearm is discharged.
This legislation could essentially ban all semi-automatic pistols commonly used by California gun owners.
Please contact members of the Senate, and ask them to oppose AB 352. Please encourage your friends, family, and fellow sportsmen to contact their State Senators as well.
 
Thanx Keyster.

I did not realize until now that "AB" meant an assembly bill and "SB" meant a senate bill. So if they originate in the assembly they must go to the senate and vice-versa.

Do the respective bills have to have a majority in both assembly and senate to make it to the governor's desk?
 
The way I look at it, I think we should prepare to write to Arnold for veto on both bills.

-Pat
 
what 'bout shotguns?
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The bills are for handguns only (for now), but of course ammo like .22, .44 etc can be used in rifles. My guess is that if it can be used in handguns,it'll be covered by this bill.

I've been a dutiful CRPA member; I've emailed, faxed, voted, got out the vote, taught gun newbies to shoot, got people signed up into the NRA and CRPA...but I have reached my limit. If they insist on treating me like a de facto criminal -- if this bill is signed into law -- I am going to shrug this state off of my back and leave for Free America within 6 months.
 
sumpnz - post 49 in this thread
What if, rather than having CA gunnies move out, a lot of us gunnies moved there? Maybe target some specific areas to build clout and oust particularly bad politicians and replace them with gun friendly ones? It would take a lot of effort and coordination, but it might work. Might even be able to get DiFi and Boxer out before they croak if we work hard enough. There's a good aerospace industry there, so I'm sure I could get a good enough job. So long as my wife was able to as well, we could maybe even afford to move there.
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I lived there once, had my dog poisoned with strychnine, stuff stolen out of our storage shed, etc. All this within about 14 months. Lived in Carmel Valley, not South Central or other known hellhole.

Far more effective would be to publish maps of all the hog farms in the state and make arrangements for feeding times. :D :D
 
For what it's worth:

I emailed the governator with my displeasure with this bill. Here's what I got back:

Thank you for emailing Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger regarding SB 60
and SB 357. The Governor appreciates you voicing your opinions on
proposed legislation affecting our State.

The Governor does not take a position on legislation until a final bill
has reached his desk. The Legislature has until September 9, 2005 to
pass legislation and the Governor has until October 9, 2005 to sign or
veto proposed bills.

You may continue to follow this and any other bill before the State
Legislature at the Official California Legislative Website:
www.leginfo.ca.gov. You may also read any legislative messages from the Governor at
his website: www.governor.ca.gov.

Again, the Governor appreciates your interest in California's future.
An informed and engaged citizenry is important to effective government
in our State.

Sincerely,


Office of Constituent Affairs
 
ClonaKilty:

If they insist on treating me like a de facto criminal -- if this bill is signed into law -- I am going to shrug this state off of my back and leave for Free America within 6 months
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Dunno where you're thinking about, but unless you live somewhere like LA or San Fran, Cal is better than most places. Even with our draconian gun laws I can still buy enough guns to keep me broke.

Assault rifles? As soon as they passed the AWB in Kal I went out and bought one of the most reliable assault rifles available, the Mini 30. And I'm going to buy another, the M1A.

The thing that most upset me was the drop safety law. It effectively stopped us from buying the older pinned and recessed Smiths except from private parties. That one has been a real inconvenience.

Anyway, some places I've lived are worse than Kal. For example, when I moved to Michigan, I had to hand carry every handgun I owned downtown to the govt offices and let the lady physically check the serial numbers. Then I carried them back home and waited for the registration papers. At least in Kal I only had to mail the info.
 
Well since this law also applies to law enforcement (unlike many previous gun control efforts) it is bound to be an utter failure. You see they can't just inconvenience the average joe, they will also be disarming their own state agencies.

A failure of legislation on that level might actually help us quite a bit in the long run.
 
A failure of legislation on that level might actually help us quite a bit in the long run.
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They have run into periodic road blocks along these lines. For example, Barrett rifles refused to perform service on a 50 cals rifle because of the inane BMG ban.

I heard there was a similar debacle concerning Kal law enforcement, the drop safety tests, and Glock.

Anyway, give them enough rope and all. It's just pretty frustrating to be here while they are experimenting with the constitution.

:banghead:
 
P&R:

Yeah unfortunately I live in Oakland, which might as well be SF (just a lot uglier and more dangerous). You are right that many counties in CA are better to live in than where I do. Problem for me is that my work requires I am near a major city, and also, even in the best counties in CA, you still:

* don't have "shall issue" CCW (some Sherrifs are pro CCW, some aren't. Their choice.)
* buy semi-auto rifles that I enjoy shooting (M1A is great but I also like FALs, ARs, etc)
* can't have normal capacity magazines
* have to wait 10 inexplicable days before taking possession of a gun

There are many other states where I can live near a major city and exercise my rights. Trust me, I LOVE California -- being close to the Sierras, the beaches, the very comfortabe climate, the great food. But if 357 is signed into law, then CA has crossed the line and I am leaving.
 
ClonaKilty,

I can't argue your logic. It's a shame such a gorgeous state has been infected by totalitarianism. Our politics (from the Latin "poly", meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "blood sucking creatures") comes from an elitist oligarchy who spits on the people/constitution.

BTW, if you would, email Arnie about this. His office sent me a reply that if the bill is approved it goes to his desk in October. The fact of the email tells me he's listening.

http://www.govmail.ca.gov/
 
ClonaKilty - If ya gotsta move, come on over to sunny AZ. I don't know what kind of work you're in, but the Phx area has a pretty diverse economy and could likely provide you a good job. Just make sure your car's AC is working before coming here.
 
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