araiford
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"We can convert the non gunnies to our perspective"
Good luck with that...
Good luck with that...
California college student busted on AW charges; had MySpace pics
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Remember the Cold War and nuclear deterrence? Realistic fear can “clarify the mind”, and promote a willingness to re-examine one’s views.
And, bear in mind that the other side has nothing positive to fight FOR, and the majority are committed to having nothing to fight WITH.
Who would the fighting be against, in the streets? Soccer moms?
Actually, there’s a 3rd possibility. Convince the other side they have EVERYTHING to fear. That, after all, was the original intent of the 2A.
Remember the Cold War and nuclear deterrence? Realistic fear can “clarify the mind”, and promote a willingness to re-examine one’s views.
And, bear in mind that the other side has nothing positive to fight FOR, and the majority are committed to having nothing to fight WITH.
Who would the fighting be against, in the streets? Soccer moms?
HonorsDaddy
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Glummer...
I gotta agree with you. Personally, I rather prefer my government to be afraid of me. They tend to be a lot more compliant that way.
Imagine how much easier Congress would be to deal with if they had to think "Now, if i sponsor this bill, will I make it home alive?"
THAT, my friends, was the intent of the Founding Fathers. Government was designed in the US to serve the people, not to "protect" or rule them.
I gotta agree with you. Personally, I rather prefer my government to be afraid of me. They tend to be a lot more compliant that way.
Imagine how much easier Congress would be to deal with if they had to think "Now, if i sponsor this bill, will I make it home alive?"
THAT, my friends, was the intent of the Founding Fathers. Government was designed in the US to serve the people, not to "protect" or rule them.
DRZinn
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He took pictures of himself engaged in what LOOKS LIKE legal activity, too. If I post a picture of myself smoking something in a pipe, should they assume it's marijuana and arrest me? If I post a picture of myself driving fast, should they assume it's over the speed limit and send me a ticket? If I post a picture of myself hunting, should they assume I didn't have a license and fine me? After all, those pictures would LOOK LIKE illegal activity.
This guy didn't stay out all night. He walked in the door at 22:00 and 55 seconds, clearly within the rules, and got grounded anyway, because it LOOKED LIKE he was late.
JohnBT
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"Yes, I would rather go for an all out war! I would rather die for what I believe is right then to be some boot licking snivler!"
Dying isn't the smart way to get what you want.
John
Dying isn't the smart way to get what you want.
John
RavenVT100
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I am unsure why so many are jumping to support someone who they hardly know. A cursory examination of this guy's posting history on calguns does not appear without concern. Someone linked to threads where he has told people that he is a cop, only to have it turn out that he was an MP in the Army. That's not the same thing, and everyone knows it. You can't go around claiming you are federal law enforcement without raising people's hackles when it turns out you aren't.
I have never, in all my life, had a good experience with anyone who wanted to brag that they were a cop when they were not really sworn LE. Never, nada, zilch. In every case, it turned out that the person was either involved in, or connected with individuals involved in, criminal activity. Stating you are a cop when you are not is itself a crime in numerous jurisdictions. And while he hasn't been charged with that, I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of what caught the attention of LE in the first place.
Now, it could be that this person is entirely clean and this arrest is unjust, and so on and so forth. And there is a chance there might not be. Only time will tell.
I have never, in all my life, had a good experience with anyone who wanted to brag that they were a cop when they were not really sworn LE. Never, nada, zilch. In every case, it turned out that the person was either involved in, or connected with individuals involved in, criminal activity. Stating you are a cop when you are not is itself a crime in numerous jurisdictions. And while he hasn't been charged with that, I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of what caught the attention of LE in the first place.
Now, it could be that this person is entirely clean and this arrest is unjust, and so on and so forth. And there is a chance there might not be. Only time will tell.
50 Shooter
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People die in war.
crazed_ss
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You can see the criminal complaint here. I noticed there's no charges for the M1A, Shotgun, and Pistol he had posted as those are perfectly legal guns. If he hadnt posted the Illegal-looking ARs, he probably wouldnt be in trouble.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=56722
Looks like they're trying to get him for running a group buy for 1919's which are supposedly legal in CA. Apparently the DA here thinks they're AWs and he was trying to sell them.
He's also charged with having illegal AR-15s. Once again those AR-15s were built on Off-List Receivers and look like they have fixed mags. They should be legal too. Apparently the DA here thinks they're AWs too.
If he's got a good lawyer, he might get out of the AW stuff if they can convince the DA that the stuff is within the letter of the law.
The charges about the illegal Shuriken and SAP gloves might stick though.
The other charges about stolen military gear, I have no clue about.. dont sound good though.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=56722
Looks like they're trying to get him for running a group buy for 1919's which are supposedly legal in CA. Apparently the DA here thinks they're AWs and he was trying to sell them.
He's also charged with having illegal AR-15s. Once again those AR-15s were built on Off-List Receivers and look like they have fixed mags. They should be legal too. Apparently the DA here thinks they're AWs too.
If he's got a good lawyer, he might get out of the AW stuff if they can convince the DA that the stuff is within the letter of the law.
The charges about the illegal Shuriken and SAP gloves might stick though.
The other charges about stolen military gear, I have no clue about.. dont sound good though.
MudCamper
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This may be that somebody, the local DA, the DOJ, somebody, planned on using this guy as a test case to try and defeat the OLL loophole in court. They may have targeted him just because he has a stupid myspace page and they can use that to scare a jury, and in the process get a court president against the OLLs. They also may just be doing this just to scare everyone else away from buying more OLLs. The CA DOJ has been pissed off about it ever since they lost the Harrot decision and have been on a huge harassment / misinformation campaign ever since.
RavenVT100
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Then where's the focus on every single person that ever gets picked up on a weapons offense?
I was suggesting those who are jumping to conclusions about the case wait until additional information comes out before...jumping to conclusions.
There's nothing wrong with that, nor is it disrespectful of someone's rights. Let me ask you, is it responsible use of your first amendment rights to tell people you're a cop when you're really not? It wouldn't be the first time someone talked s*** on the internet, but I'm sure it raised someone's suspicions.
Bragging or lying on the internet is one thing...slapping a blue light on your 76 Monte Carlo and pulling folks over on back stretches of highway is another. Besides who knows where all those pictures were even taken. Whole thing stinks if you ask me.
RavenVT100
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That's true, but it may have upset someone. I've never been told by an Army MP that they are "cops." Just that they are "MPs". That's all I'm suggesting--it's not intended to be a judgment as to his guilt or innocence, or even what kind of person he is--I don't know him. That's for the court to decide, but it's highly unfortunate if he is innocent that this happened.
There is a flip side to this. People may see their lawful possessions turned into felonious possessions, and say, "to heck with this. if this is now an illegal weapon, I might as well go all the way".
By making honest men criminals, the government is creating more honest men who disregard the law and hold it in contempt. What would happen if every honest man in the country decided over time, "Screw this, I'm tired of being hounded by the government. I'm not going to pay my taxes and obey these petty laws anymore; they don't make any sense, and they just take from me and mine"?
These laws are all counter-productive, unless the point of intended production is to destroy the country...
Frog48
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Kinda pathetic that he has to pump up his ego by posting pics of himself as a Rambo wannabe. But whatever, nothing illegal about that.
Its a shame that the guy is facing prison time because law enforcement and prosecutors are blatently ignoring the law. The fact that something isnt illegal hasnt stopped LE from making arrests and prosecutions for things that they personally feel "should" be illegal.
Its a shame that the guy is facing prison time because law enforcement and prosecutors are blatently ignoring the law. The fact that something isnt illegal hasnt stopped LE from making arrests and prosecutions for things that they personally feel "should" be illegal.
10-Ring
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What a steaming pile...not really a surprise, but still a pile.
PILMAN
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Looked around his myspace page, that's a shame that he was arrested. Their busy hauling off campus students who have no criminal history yet we have gangsters running in the streets killing each other, shows how much the state of California cares about the people.
It's an old game called "how to get in the paper without getting shot at".
Meanwhile, the gang violence in the vicinity continues unabated...
I guess since the gangs are shooting each other with handguns they can't legally carry, can't legally buy, can't legally own (under 21), and not the Evil Black Rifles that make headlines, the DOJ considers its work complete.
Or maybe, gangs in LA are so far underground, and have so few members that the cops just can't FIND them.
http://www.vpcla.org/factGang.htm
(An anti-gun group, not worth perusing, but I needed to credit my numbers.)
kungfuhippie
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that website is funny
No wonder we have to lock up our guns, so they don't go out and shoot random people!!!
Those guns are sooo racist.
Damn that gunshow loophole!!!!!!!
This just makes me proud as a Californian.
KMBRTAC45
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He didn't say he'd dye for what HE wants. He said he would rather die for what is right, the same thing that THOUSANDS of Americans have died for in the last 200+ years. It's not only to preserve MY rights but the rights of our childrens childrens chilren. Isn't that what is talked about on this and EVERY other pro-2A board on the net?
Creeping Incrementalism
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Matt's still in jail because the bail is extremely high. A fund for people to contribute to his legal defense has been set up. It seems that he was "turned in" (someone pointed out his website to campus security) by students at the school newspaper, because they didn't like his conservative politics. Can you imagine that--because you enjoy shooting and put up some pictures on your website, anyone who doesn't like your politics can get you arrested on the premise that your firearms might be illegal, even though there is nothing clearly illegal in the photos?
From what people have been talking about, it seems to me the only charge he might be guilty of is his possession his old military ID. Everything else sounds like either total crap, or iffy. The firearms charges look especially bogus.
From what people have been talking about, it seems to me the only charge he might be guilty of is his possession his old military ID. Everything else sounds like either total crap, or iffy. The firearms charges look especially bogus.
JohnBT
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"He didn't say he'd dye for what HE wants. He said he would rather die for what is right,"
Well, if that's what he wants, so be it. I still think he'd be of more use alive.
John
Well, if that's what he wants, so be it. I still think he'd be of more use alive.
John
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