California Micro-Stamping

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nevermind 3 seconds with a file and the microstamp on the pin is done in.
and don't cry about it being illegal... they already file the serial numbers off guns. even the embedded microstamps on the frame would be found and obliterated within seconds.
 
I was once studying a distantly related project which would have been dependent on one particular design. Call it a license to print money for the vendor. Fortunately for shooters and several other industries, it did not go through... yet.
 
Would criminals even care that their brass was microstamped?
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The bill isn't for the criminals. They use stolen weapons anyway. And they sure never go through legal channels (4473, CA DOJ).

This bill is purely to make handgun ownership more difficult and expensive for gun owners. Gun ownership is the target. Always has been.

This bill will be implemented and once californians get used to it, the pimps in sacramento will add something else to it. Probably like some biometric laser fingerprint urine testing computer chip. You'll have to pee on it to fire it.
 
Wow. Between this thread and the thread on that range getting shut down in Colorado, THR is seriously bumming me out tonight.

To those in California... ugh. My condolences. Hopefully the manufacturers step up and boycott governmental sales to California.

Once their police can't get parts and new guns for awhile, maybe they'll rethink this .... umm.. I can't think of a way to say what I want to say without violating our language standards here.
 
is CA law similar?.....so would the owner be allowed to legally remove the microstamping from their gun after they take possession of it? or would they treat it like a gun with a filed off SN?
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As the law is today, modifying your handgun after you buy it is legal.
 
Probably like some biometric laser fingerprint urine testing computer chip. You'll have to pee on it to fire it.
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Not sure if serious... ...anymore :(

TCB
 
You don't think the armed government employees will have to have traceable guns, do you?

The authorities always exempt themselves and their minions from restrictions placed on the rest of us. And not just guns, see Obamacare.
 
Couple of things I find interesting :

1. A large amount of commercially available semi-auto brass comes from California "shoot and drop" ranges. Would you buy someone elses brass knowing it may have a # on it thats hard to remove ? More importantly- would they sell it ? I can see citizens demanding the right to every casing- even the ones across "the line". There will be fallout here somewhere ! ( I know mechanically how to remove the imprints. Not everyone trims SA brass- but I reckon everyone is about to start ! )

2.What ARE the ranges gonna do with that brass ? Shred and recycle ? Would you trust these a-hats with a set of your prints that could be placed anywhere at anyone elses leisure ?

I'm not going to get into the laws/criminals defeating them discussion...its just silly, and clear as day.

What I do vote is this : The first MFR that caves and producesa CA compliant model- we reject and no longer support. I have no doubt it will be ruger, given their track record on such things..... but we need to draw the line, and make it known that we won't support a MFR that goes along with this.
 
Not sure if it has been said yet, . . . but who is going to make these? Are gun manufactureres expected to include these? How will they make them [for EACH of the guns they make for California]? With the back log of guns, . . . when [if ever] will they "get around to making these"?

As I see it, . . . it very well could be a gun ban, by default.
 
How will they make them [for EACH of the guns they make for California]?
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It'll be like stamping a different serial number on the frame. A different number for each firing pin and chamber.
 
I wonder if they've cut forensic/criminal investigation budgets instead of waiting for things (like brass) to fall in their laps. It would be a simple thing to find out..
 
This is an incremental step - while it only affects semi-auto pistols being submitted for testing for inclusion on the roster of guns certified for sale, the next step will to be to deny renewals on the currently certified models unless they meet all current requirements. There are currently 1279 models on the roster, and with the new requirement none would pass certification testing.
 
None of the gun laws we face here in California are for safety, they are ALL for making guns more expensive, less available and yes, this is just the next step in a massive cultural change that the overlords in Sacramento are enacting. There are plenty of pro gun patriots who live in this state, but we are massively outnumbered by the Communists and the brainwashed. Nothing we can do but fight, but the fight is just for how long we can keep the few civil rights we have here, not for overcoming the overwhelming forces that be, that isn't going to happen.

Regardless of what happens nationally, I predict California will be totally disarmed (other than LEOs and criminals) inside ten years, quite possibly much sooner.
 
Capybara said:
None of the gun laws we face here in California are for safety, they are ALL for making guns more expensive, less available and yes, this is just the next step in a massive cultural change that the overlords in Sacramento are enacting. There are plenty of pro gun patriots who live in this state, but we are massively outnumbered by the Communists and the brainwashed. Nothing we can do but fight, but the fight is just for how long we can keep the few civil rights we have here, not for overcoming the overwhelming forces that be, that isn't going to happen.

Regardless of what happens nationally, I predict California will be totally disarmed (other than LEOs and criminals) inside ten years, quite possibly much sooner.
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And have a whole lot more criminals!
 
I think we need to talk to the major manufacturers. Ask them to immediately stop shipping anything to CA LEO, and refuse to incorporate this technology. The tide must be turned country wide, and if it means I can't buy a pistol for a year or two because the manufacturers decided to take a stand so be it.
 
we need to talk to the major manufacturers
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Won't do any good. California is a huuuuge gun market. Too much money there. For them, it's all about business.

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if there were some gun company that has the technology for microstamping that lobbied for the bill.
 
Willie Sutton said:
^^ Yup. No disagreement. Going to be every defense lawyers spiel in court.

Police your brass is the cure. You don't leave brass behind, do you? It's littering. :eek:


Willie


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I hardly ever come back with 100% of my brass. I always seem to lose one or two stubborn ones. But I don't live in ********** anyway, so...

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What I do vote is this : The first MFR that caves and producesa CA compliant model- we reject and no longer support. I have no doubt it will be ruger, given their track record on such things..... but we need to draw the line, and make it known that we won't support a MFR that goes along with this.
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OOOhhhh... you meant "manufacturer". See, I read it a different way :evil:
 
rdhood said:
The obvious next step: reloading previously stamped brass will be made illegal. I can't see that they will let brass be stamped more than once.
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as the firing pin does the stamping, I don't think it's the brass that gets stamped, it's the primer.
 
Trent said:
Muzzleloaders for the win!
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Or breechloaders with paper cartridges like during the Civil War. It was the normal method of loading percussion revolvers. And the first speedloaders were extra loaded cylinders that could be swapped quickly.

as the firing pin does the stamping, I don't think it's the brass that gets stamped, it's the primer.
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Not just the firing pin. The breechface stamps the case head.
 
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