Call 911 or Call Lawyer?

[D.B. Cooper]

Where did you get the notion "that your lawyer's words cannot be used against you"?

You didn't watch the video, did you?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

All I could add is that the perception is that:

1) Innocent victims call 911 immediately to report the crime to the police.

2) Innocent victims want to tell the police what happened.

3) Innocent victims want to cooperate with the investigation.

4) Innocent victims don't clam up and say "I ain't sayin' nutin' without mah lawyah."

5) Innocent victims sure as hell don't flee the scene.

6) Innocent victims get wrongly accused and wrongly convicted.

 

[RickD427]

You didn't watch the video, did you?

I did not. Like's too short to watch too many internet videos. Additionally, my blood-pressure tends to spike too much when I watch CCW themed videos. There's just too much erroneous content in them.

My apologies if the answer to my question was contained in a video that you posted, but if the speaker made the claim that a lawyer's words could not be used against a client, then the "erroneous content" thing above comes into play. I've seen it happen in trial, and more than once. The "Attorney-Client" privilege is pretty durable, but it has limits, and has been successfully pierced, most often when the attorney is a crime partner of an accused.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Innocent victims do not get to determine innocence or guilt.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I did not...

Obviously. Subsequently, almost everything you've posted is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Especially the part about attorneys being a partner in crime with their client.

However...your reason for not watching is, in my view, valid. Especially the part about erroneous information on the internet. Which is why I started the discussion in the first place.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Innocent victims do not get to determine innocence or guilt.

True, but saying too much...let's put it this way: you're not likely to talk yourself out of getting arrested, but you can certainly talk yourself into getting arrested.

 

[RickD427]

Obviously. Subsequently, almost everything you've posted is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Especially the part about attorneys being a partner in crime with their client.

However...your reason for not watching is, in my view, valid. Especially the part about erroneous information on the internet. Which is why I started the discussion in the first place.

Fair enough, please see my detailed comments in Post #48 for a straightforward answer to your original question.

 

[toivo]

Call 911 first. That's what an innocent victim would do and you don't want to deviate from that script.

Absolutely. If you call your lawyer first, that could very easily be used against you in court.

 

[wayneinFL]

There's no one size fits all for self defense. There are pros and cons to everything you can do.

That said, it's hard to think of a situation where you call your lawyer first. First, he has to be your lawyer. Second, he has to be available IMMEDIATELY.

The only way I can imagine this is a good idea is if you had to flee the scene for safety, and you don't have a phone on you when you do. Flight indicates guilt, but run, hide, fight circumstances can change in a dynamic situation. So if you flee and a dozen other people have called 911 by the time you got to your phone, okay. Maybe call your lawyer.

By the way, has anyone considered that possibility a delay in calling 911 might mean the difference between life and death for the person you shot? Posters have mentioned the perception police, prosecutors, judges, and juries would have of it. But I wouldn't want the guy to bleed out. Why defend yourself in a murder case, when you could have defended yourself in an aggravated assault/battery?

 

[bdickens]

6) Innocent victims get wrongly accused and wrongly convicted.

Innocent victims do not get to determine innocence or guilt.

I clearly said "the perception is...."

 

[Kleanbore]

By the way, has anyone considered that possibility a delay in calling 911 might mean the difference between life and death for the person you shot?

Add the possibility that others may die.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

As I've said earlier, I think we are all in universal agreement here. Not sure what we're debating at this point.

 

[Kleanbore]

As I've said earlier, I think we are all in universal agreement here. Not sure what we're debating at this point.

So, time to do somehing else.