Can a .32 ACP CC gun have enough balls to be a respectable defense gun?

[ggarfield965]

The zombie holocausts maybe? No, it just gets me that anyone would argue over what was enough of a gun for conceal carry. IMO any gun is enough, and a lot better than two fists. And since any individual is very unlikely to actually need to use a gun when they're on the street, than I'd say a .22 autoloading pistol is pretty good insurance, and if you want a .45 ACP than so be it. Bottom line, they're all sufficient.

 

[Vonderek]

If you load it with .32 Extreme Shock you can hunt elephant and water buffalo with it.

 

[ashtxsniper]

Different things for different people. I prefer to not be underarmed. If you want to carry your stupid airsoft, paintball gun, wizard or ninja sword, throwing stars, or a peashooter thats your choice. Your not related to Gecko45 by chance are you?

 

[mljdeckard]

NONE OF THEM ARE SUFFICIENT. All handgun rounds suck. In picking the smallest ones, you are saying, "I don't care enough about my personal safety to carry the best gun I can."

If they are unlikely to need it, then why carry at all?

If you have to shoot at someone, and all you see is the profile of their weaver stance, in a leather jacket, the last think you will think to yourself as you squeeze the trigger is: "I REALLY REALLY wish I had something bigger right now."

 

[JImbothefiveth]

and EVERY hollow point expanded beautifully and consistently.

Did it still get adequate penetration?

Bottom line, they're all sufficient.

Not true. According to Marshal and Sanow, the .22 LR only stops in one shot about 30% of the time.
A fail to stop means that it's NOT sufficient.

 

[R.W.Dale]

NONE OF THEM ARE SUFFICIENT. All handgun rounds suck. In picking the smallest ones, you are saying, "I don't care enough about my personal safety to carry the best gun I can."

If they are unlikely to need it, then why carry at all?

Handgun choice is much like choosing insurance. You buy the most coverage you expect to need any more is just added expense and more cumbersome. How much more likely are we to die or be horribly be disfigures in a car crash yet I wonder how many of these posters trashing the choice of the OP has the max medical on their auto insurance or for that matter wear seatbealts religiously.

Bottom like is that handgun choice is an assessment of risk I find it laughable what some choose to obsess over. EXAMPLE Do YOU have a fire extinguisher in your home?

I'll carry my p23 with confidence that it'll handle any situation I can realistically expect to find myself in. The rest of you guys can continue to carry your 9mm,40,45's in fear and paranoia.

If you have to shoot at someone, and all you see is the profile of their weaver stance, in a leather jacket, the last think you will think to yourself as you squeeze the trigger is: "I REALLY REALLY wish I had something bigger right now."

That's why I carry ball

 

[ggarfield965]

"Not true. According to Marshal and Sanow, the .22 LR only stops in one shot about 30% of the time.
A fail to stop means that it's NOT sufficient."

But I am not suggesting a .22 lr zip gun. I think I could squeeze off a 10 shot clip in about 2.5 seconds, or 4 shots in like 1 second. I call that 100% efficient. But, 30% stopping is treating your assailant or mugger like an enemy combatant. It is very unlikely we will be battling Arab Insurgents in our streets. Your average crook is probably not going to be too happy about taking a shot from a .22, and unless he's an axe-murderer, he will probably use his remaining resolve to run for it.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

But, 30% stopping is treating your assailant or mugger like an enemy combatant.

How?

Your average crook is probably not going to be too happy about taking a shot from a .22

But about 70% of the time, he won't be stopped.

 

[ggarfield965]

Oh, and when I pull the trigger, I will surely be thinking take "Take that sucker, pwnd". But since I don't have the option of CCing I should probably shut up and stop making people mad. Thing is, I don't think having a gun everywhere you go is necessary so I can't be entirely serious. I would, however, just like to say that if you really think you need a gun on you, any gun is pretty dang good. Except maybe a flintlock pistol or a Mexican zip gun.

 

[mljdeckard]

Beautiful. If you REALLY ARE THAT GOOD with a .22, WHY NOT TRAIN UNTIL YOU ARE THAT GOOD WITH SOMETHING BIGGER? You are rationalizing slacking on training and giving yourself all possible advantages. YOU ARE BEING LAZY.

Yes, I have a fire extinguisher. And it's one that is big enough I have a reasonable expectation it will actually put out the fire redundantly and overwhelmingly.

In calling us paranoid for carrying THE BEST PROTECTION WE CAN, you sound like the antis, saying we are paranoid for carrying at all.

 

[hoosier8]

Hmmm, didn't an 8 yr old recently shoot and kill two grown men with a 22? One wonders why a 32 wouldn't be adequate? My great grandmother used to keep an Iver & Johnson 32 revolver to shoot at possible bandidos down on the border, and nobody wanted to mess with her.

 

[ggarfield965]

yeah!

hoosier8, you got it. If we can't agree on a .22, then at least we can agree.32 ACP is adequate and very dangerous. I wouldn't mess with someone with a 32 ACP. Further, if I had a .50 Desert Eagle I still wouldn't want to mess with someone with a 32 ACP. They are pretty deadly. I would even shoot deer from like sub-40 feet with a 32 ACP if I didn't have better equipped guns.

 

[kokapelli]

That 8 year old used a rifle which means at least 1400 to 1600 fps velocity. A lot different than what comes out of a pistol.

 

[ashtxsniper]

You would shoot a deer with a 32acp? I dont think I need to say anything you are doing a good job of that on your own.

 

[jocko]

german police carried 32's. HUMM didn't we kick thier asses awhile back????

 

[mljdeckard]

Danish police carried .32 PPKs for years with orders to shoot to wound, and by the time they retired them, many of them didn't even work.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Hmmm, didn't an 8 yr old recently shoot and kill two grown men with a 22?

It took a total of 8 shots, and we are concerned with STOPPING, not killing. In the time it takes you to get off 8 shots, you could be mortally wounded.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

There is only so much power that can be packed into the little bullet and cartridge. You are trading cartridge power for small weapon size.

 

[mljdeckard]

And that kid had them trapped in a house where they WEREN'T SHOOTING BACK.

 

[ggarfield965]

Ok, you guys have got me. I think an AK-74 without a stock is probably the safe choice, but I think I might go get a M79 grenade launcher just to be sure I can immobilize as many assailants as possible as fast as possible.


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[mljdeckard]

To be absolutely honest, I consider my .45 to be the sidearm I will use to fight my way back to my SKS in my truck.

 

[Vonderek]

If you can fight your way back to your truck you should drive away!

 

[PRM]

Big Boys Like Big Toys

Little hard for CC, but this is where this discussion is headed

 

[JImbothefiveth]

He starts a thread praising the .32 ACP as a self-defense round, and then the .22 LR. I'm a big .22LR fan, but I would not reccomend one for self-defense. I'm not a "magnum maniac" either. I would feel fine with 9mm hollowpoints for self defense.(Which stop with one shot 20-27 & more than .32 ACP, according to Marshal and Sanow)

 

[springer7676]

I carry a .25 ACP colt. Seven shots. I like it. It will not kill game animals. It will kill humans. I CC carry for defense against humans. I would not want to be shot with a .25 cal. I don't suspect anyone would. Especially a burglar or street attacker. It seems to me that any caliber against human targets is adequate. If you shoot straight without hesitation the target will get the message.