Can I get the straight scoop on NY, NJ and CA gun laws

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I live in CA and my old college shooting buddy lived in NY so here's my take on this. If you really like pistols more I would say come to California. All you need is a BFSC (Basic Firearms Safety Certificate) which you can get at any gunstore by taking a REALLY easy test. After the 10 day watiing period (for all firearms) you have you're pistol. As stated before if you live in a rural or not quite urban county CA CCW is possible, and is good throughout the state. In NY you have to wait up to a year to get your permit to buy handguns. If you're more into rifles I would say NY. There's no 10 round limit on magazines and there is not state AW ban. You can buy an AK47 and a bunch of 30 round mags and walk out the door 10 minutes later. In CA you're pretty much limited to M1As w/ 10 rd mags and stripper-clip-fed-only 10 rd. mag FALs. You cannot bring in 10+ rd. mags. You can only own them if you bought them before Jan 1, 2000, which I did because I saw this whole crapstorm coming ;). I don't have any 1st or 2nd hand experience with NJ so I can't help you there. I know you don't want to hear it but you really are better off not moving to CA, NY or NJ, trust me. There are jobs out there you just have to find them. ;) You might want to try Las Vegas, I heard they are having good job growth; a tad hot though :D.

edited: I forgot, in CA you're also limited to one gun a month. You should also register your handguns as others have said.
 
North Eastern PA, although beautiful and very gun friendly, is NOT within reasonable commuting distance to NYC.

I've only ever done it from south eastern PA, and it usually DOES take about an hour and a half to reach the city. I don't think I've ever gone there and had the trip take more than two hours.
 
I live in SE PA near Doylestown and I can tell you that, with traffic, it's not more than 1:45 to 2:00 to any of the major crossing points into Manhattan. It's actually closer to 1:30 if you do a little above the speed limit.
 
yes certain cities and counties in CA have the right to ban certain things. San Francisco has some VERY picky laws about AWs, CCWs. LA has some interesting local laws as well. In Contra Costa county where I live you can't purchase 50 BMG in unincorporated areas of the county (stupid I know dont' get me started). But the only way to be sure is to download the laws online. CA has a really nice law summary booklet you can download from the DOJ website. It's very helpfull and covers everything you need to know. If you need specifics the little helper guide addressed the penal code and you can look up the real thing. If you have questions you can call DOJ and be helped and for a definitive response write them, it will take about a month to get a response in my experience.

and you are only restricted to one handgun a month, not one gun at all amonth in CA.
 
I live in SE PA near Doylestown and I can tell you that, with traffic, it's not more than 1:45 to 2:00 to any of the major crossing points into Manhattan. It's actually closer to 1:30 if you do a little above the speed limit.

SE is not NE and did you do it during rush hour? Repeatedly over a period of time? Monday morning? Friday afternoon?

I've never done 78 in the morning but even if you fly the whole way, getting through the tunnel and then getting where you need to be, during rush hour would have to take longer than that . . . . . and even if you could do it in only 90 minutes, door to door, 3 hours a day to commute is OPPRESSIVE even after only a few months.

I wouldn't recommend it especially not to someone from out of town.
 
My typical route is backroads into Clinton NJ, 78 to 287 to 80 to the GW.....longest it's ever taken me is 2:25 and that was because some dum dum in a big truck took out a car about 1/2 mile from the toll booths.
 
yeah but

PA is great for gun owners,but if you go to NY you're looking at a year in jail if you get caught with a gun.
You're more likely to need your gun for self defense in NYC.
C'mon out to CA Chaim,we need pro gun folks out here.
 
It is VERY important to draw the distinction between New York State and New York City.

In the city you can get a permit for rifles and shotguns, but you will be limited, no AR-15 and such. You can pretty much forget about legal CCW in the city.

NY state has NO permit for rifles or shotguns. The AW ban is a mirror of the federal ban with no sunset provision unfortunately. But you can keep your AR.

Pistols in the rest of the state require a permit as mentioned above, still a pain in the behind but better than some other places I think.

Personally, I'd do NY if I was in your shoes, since the long gun restrictions are less than CA and you can get a carry permit for pretty much everwhere but NYC.

Commuting is not impossible, and living in south east PA you might be able to do a little driving to a train station, living in Orange County NY or across the Delaware in PA you could catch the Metro-North at Port Jervis, which goes down through NY into Hoboken, NJ, or transfer in NJ to ride into Penn Station.

Long Island is also an option, and commuting via the Long Island Railroad. I am not sure if the permit requirements in counties adjacent to the city are any more strict.
 
If the county you're moving to has CCW restrictions, move to an adjacent county long enough to get an unrestricted permit, then move where you want and leave the CCW officially registered where you got it.
Wrong answer. You are required to update your residence info on your permit when you move. I realize that some people don't, but technically they are supposed to be switching the permit over to their new county of residence if they move to a new county.
 
I live in New York City and have a handgun license (premise only). I also know someone that has a carry license. I own 5 handguns.

New York is a “May Issue†State when it comes to handgun licensing. Licensing occurs at the county level. Some counties are very pro-rkba and give out carry licenses. Other counties are very anti-gun and give people a hard time over premise licenses. In New York City, the Police Commissioner is the licensing authority. New York City leans to the anti side. However, it is fairly easy to qualify for a license. The actual process of applying for and receiving the license is far worse. Lots of hours wasted.

After you apply for a license, your application is assigned to an investigating officer. That officer will make a recommendation as to whether you should be granted a license. The officer can recommend against granting a license for any reason whatsoever. For example, if the officer decides that your residence isn’t secure enough, you won’t get a license.

There appears to be some confusion over “premise†and “target†licenses. There is no target license anymore. There are only “premise†and “carry†licenses. The “target†license was an invention of New York City, which was ruled to hold no weight because the licensing laws are state laws and New York City cannot usurp them. Hence, the appeals court viewed New York City’s special target license as a plain ol’ premise license. NYC now issues standard premise licenses.

The NYC premise license lists the premise in which you are allowed to possess guns, and the guns you may possess. The license also allows you to go directly to and from an “authorized location.†All NYC gun ranges are authorized locations, but it is unclear as to whether ranges outside of NYC are included. The police claim to have a list, but no one seems to know where it is. Personally, my experience is that you can go to any range outside NYC with no questions asked.

You can only get a carry license if you have cause. In some counties, protecting yourself is cause enough. In NYC, “cause†is the protection of money, or as part of a profession, such as a security guard. The carry license will generally restrict carry to working hours, or to times when you’re making deposits. It is near impossible to get a totally unrestricted carry license. Recently, many licenses of the “rich and famous†were pulled in an investigation. I think several thousand licenses were pulled for one reason or another.

New York State also registers handguns. That means that the state must know about every handgun you possess. Your handgun license will list every handgun you own, along with its serial number. My license has room for eight handguns. I have five. If you will be keeping more than 4 guns, you must have a safe. When I put in my purchase request for my fifth gun, I also had to submit two pictures of my safe (opened and closed) and the receipt for it. Only then would they approve the purchase request. You must always get approve before acquiring or disposing of a handgun. If the city doesn’t like the gun you want to get, they won’t approve it. For example, good luck getting a pocket pistol. I do not believe there is any limit on the number of handguns you can possess.

New York State has implemented its own “assault weapons†ban that mirrors the federal ban, except that it doesn’t expire. So when the federal ban expires in September, New Yorkers still will not be able to buy new hi-cap mags. In addition, New York City has a 17 round limit on mags, regardless of when they were made. Also, a mag cannot extend beyond the bottom of the grip, so things like +2 extensions are not allowed. Also, you can only possess ammo for the guns you own. The calibers are listed on the handgun license. Having barrels or conversions for other calibers for one gun is a no-no. At least buying ammo is no problem. I can order 10,000 rounds from AmmoMan and have UPS deliver it.

Rifles are slightly different. New York State doesn’t have any rifle or shotgun registration or licensing. New York City, however, has implemented its own rifle and shotgun permit. This is a completely separate from handgun licensing. One really annoying requirement is that rifle magazines cannot hold more than 5 rounds. So you can’t even keep a Ruger 10/22 without a modified mag. It’s really ridiculous. I don’t have a rifle, so I don’t know much more about it.
 
You must always get approve before acquiring or disposing of a handgun. If the city doesn’t like the gun you want to get, they won’t approve it. For example, good luck getting a pocket pistol. I do not believe there is any limit on the number of handguns you can possess.

What part of NY State law allows NYC to deny a person a premise license for a pistol that they dont' like?
 
May I suggest

Pennsylvania just across the river from Trenton? You will be on an Amtrac train for about an 1:15 from the Trenton Train station to Penn Station in NYC plus a few minutes across the "Trenton Makes" bridge plus whatever time it takes from Penn Station to your actual work location. It is also a similar distance from Philadelphia, although I don't know how Philly would fit in with the constraints you mention.

Don't try to commute by car. I think all the stories about CCWs killing each other because of road rage came from studying the driving habits of NJ drivers. (Haven't had too much experience driving in other states so I can't be sure Jersey drivers are that much worse than those from other states, but I have driven in England and can safely say, "Now they know how to drive!")
 
What part of NY State law allows NYC to deny a person a premise license for a pistol that they dont' like?
Lonnie:

S400 sect4a
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=82&a=72

The law cited here gives the licensing officer (usually judges in most counties) the right to approve or deny a permit, whether resident OR full carry. All they have to do is give a reason why you shouldn't receive a license.
You have no right at all to own a handgun anywhere in NY state. It is a priviledge granted by your local issuing officer.
 
What part of NY State law allows NYC to deny a person a premise license for a pistol that they dont' like?
I think you’re misunderstanding the order of approvals. First you get approved for a handgun license. Then you get approved for each gun you want to add to a license. You don’t need to actually have a handgun to have a license. Why would anyone get a license without having a handgun? In NYS you simply cannot even handle a handgun without having a license. So if you want to go to a range and rent a gun or fire a friend’s or spouse’s gun, you must have a license. The law contains specific exemptions allowing licensed individuals to handle handguns, which are not listed on their license, while at a range.

After you get a license, you may now acquire handguns. Each gun must go through an approval and inspection process. The rules regarding such approval and inspection are defined, not by law, but by the licensing authority’s policy. One county might approve pocket pistols, another might decide that no one should have a compact Glock. You just don’t know.

While in the authorized premise, only the licensee can handle the gun. In NYS a gun can be listed on multiple licenses. This allows you to loan a handgun to a licensed friend, for example. Licensed spouses should really have all handguns on both licenses.
 
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