Can I joing the shotgun club now?

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My 1897 Winchester, WWI trench gun feared by the Germans... Lovingly made in China :eek: finally came in. Sure is a sight better then my single shot, break open shotgun. I'll be scapping the digital camera from work tomorrow for a few photos. I managed to find a repro sling for it, got a few lines out for a bayonet. As for now, just throwing myself into the differences after being firmly entrenched in the Milsurp rifle world since I was 16 (6 years allready? Wow)

Was disappointed when I went to the range to try her out... Only to be turned away. Slugs only and all I had were some of the Remington reduced recoil buckshot. But I'm researching now. Seems kind of odd to be sending a slug down a smoothbore but I guess the range caters more to the rifled barrel crowd.

Anyway on to the questions that I couldn't find answers for:

This is probably the stupidest of them all but what on earth is that cotton brush for in my cleaning kit? I've never paid any attention to them until now but now that I'm looking at them the only use I can see is for even coverage of oil/cleaning solvent on the whole bore. I've noticed with cleaning patches that they don't contact all of the bore like they do with a rifle. Or is there another reason for them that I'm missing?

Cleaning, lubrication. With my bolt actions it was always standard, take bolt apart, light oil film on the working parts, put back together... Well this shotgun seems to be quite a bit more complex then my Mosin, Mauser, or K-31. Also with the way it's set up I don't think it would necessarily be beneficial to take it down all the way each and every time... Quite frankly, the internal workings of this shotgun have me nervous and I see screws in places that there doesn't seem to be a need for a screw. Generally what's the standard cleaning method of a shotgun? Clean the barrel and wipe down the action? Spray some Rem-Oil or something in the open action and flush it out once in awhile? I'm just mad Surplus Rifle doesn't have an article on it, that's where I got most of my information beforehand.

Anyhow, sorry for the questions guys, I've searched the forum a bit, going to go search some more now. Kinda can't wait for work tomorrow, give me a chance to sit down and browse the forums un-interupted lol
 
My cleaning procedure for a pump action shotgun is to run a patch of solvent down the bore, then an oiled patch, and put a light coat of oil (doesn't need to be much) on the outside of the gun to protect against corrosion. I would definitely not take the gun apart everytime you shoot it! If it gets really cruddy it may be wise to clean the action, but that is going to take a couple thousand rounds.
 
Rifled slugs work fine in smoothbores. I suggest Brenneke KOs, but you might be happier with some of the reduced recoil offerings available if you plan to shoot a lot of them.

That "cotton brush" is called a mop, if it's what I am thinking of. Its purpose is to let you add a light coat of oil to a cleaned bore. Cleaning patches? Hah. Buy a bag of cotton painters rags at the hardware store and cut 'em to actually fit.

Never owned a 97 and likely never will, so I dunno anything about taking it down- I'll leave discussing that to the folks who do.

Have fun and Stay Safe,

lpl/nc
 
Thanks for the help, yes, having better luck looking for cotton mop then brush :eek: And for the advice on the cleaning procedure. Hopefully sometime this week I'll get to the range and shoot it. Have to drive to Connecticut if I want to shoot buckshot though :(

Probably going to kill my shoulder testing out the slamfire method but a necessary thing I believe lol
 
Rifled slugs are what you want out of that smoothbore. If it has a choke tube in it make sure it's imp. cyl.
 
Get yourself a "Bore Snake". Saves time and cleans them quickly. I have 2 for the same gun. The first "Snake" I pull it through to get it clean and right after that I pull the second one through (take the brass brush out of it) with a little oil on it. Quick -n- easy and it gets your bore really clean and you can wash the Snakes over and over to reuse. :)
 
Thanks again for the information guys. Not that far off from all my rifle stuff but enough to make you sit back and say "wait a minute" lol. Finally got the pictures of it

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Rather update here then start a new thread but I finally got out to shoot and... Ow... No black and blue but shoulder is a tad tender. Managed to get about 30 rounds off before I said that was enough.

Was shooting the Winchester Rifled Slugs at 75 yards. I didn't manage to hit the black but I did get some decent grouping. Best 5 rounds was a string, hole touching hole from about 8:00 to 7:00. Was shooting consistently low and left, but that's the norm with most of my firearms be it the Mosin, the Mauser, or now, the shotgun. Going to loosen the three screws and adjust the front bead slightly. Thinking the low portion was just not being used to the lack or a rear sight and the lack of familiarity with the globe front site. Have to go back to the range this weekend for part two of my Handgun safety course, probably take the slip on recoil pad off the Mosin and slip it on, see how much difference that makes.

And yes, I slam fired it, and yes it's fun but man does it make everyone from the range look up and say "Huh?" lol
 
ooooh! The evil barrel shroud! Better watch out, that assault shroud might bite your finger or something! Carolyn McCarthy said so!
 
Jay... :neener:

I'm wondering if Carolyn "Shotty Shroud" McCarthy will give us gunnies a lesson in how to properly use and flip up a shroud?
 
I'd send her pictures asking for an explanation, but she'd most likely have me arrested for "distribution of terroristic materials"

All said and done, this shotgun has to be one of, if not my new favorite piece in my collection. Going to get a bayonet for it on Saturday :D
 
Can I join the shotgun club now?
Well, you've answered that question. Welcome. You're now a member of the Church of the Holey Target, the Rev. Dave McCracken, presiding.

Your '97 will do just fine with light loads of #8 bird shot, too. Your shoulder might thank you.

I'm just sayin'. ;)
 
Calllng myself Rev might make me nanoseconds from a corrective lightning bolt.

I will echo Brian and suggest some lighter loads than slugs.

Oi!
 
I would love to shoot something other then slugs... But the range I have to go to to do that is across the border in Connecticut and about 45 minutes north. The local county run range I go too only let's me and a few other guys even shoot our shotguns on the "smallbore" range because we help out at closing time... Sweep up the brass, change out targets, put the chairs back etc, etc. I've got to pattern this thing sooner or later, so probably next weekend. Halloween party and a car stereo to install this weekend... Plus Cheneys going to be hunting north of me so the road closures would be a real pain lol.
 
Finally got a chance to check the site (long and busy weekend lol) I had a pistol safety course on Sunday, talked to the instructor/range officer and he said he'd see what he couldn't do to help me out with the patterning. Hopefully this Saturday or this Sunday
 
I've been looking into the Cowboy Action shooting... Just in passing. Once I get my pistol license and can start buying stuff from Uberti I might look into it a little harder lol
 
Jay congratulations on the Shotgun

The Norincos are very well made guns and can be made butter smooth by a good gunsmith. The Trench gun configuration is very neat and I have thought about buying one for that reason alone. As for shooting Cowboy Action matches with it however, you have been misinformed. The trench gun is allowed in a particular side event called a "Wild Bunch Match" which is based on the movie by the same name, but they are not allowed in regular matches. If you can remove the shroud and the bayonet lug then they would be legal but I don't believe that it as simple as taking out a couple of screws. While I have not shot in the past year I do not believe that that there have been any changes that would have made the trench gun gun a Legal shotgun in regular matches. At any rate, it is still a very nice gun well suited to hunting deer or home defense.
 
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