Can Iraqis who live in U.S. be trusted?

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Can Iraqis who live
in U.S. be trusted?
War has politicians, immigration officers worried about loyalties to home country

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Posted: March 14, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Paul Sperry
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – Several Iraqi nationals recently have been caught sneaking illegally across the U.S.-Mexican border into Arizona, according to a U.S. congressman who is alarmed by the security breach and wants U.S. troops stationed on the border.

That comes on top of news that U.S. authorities last month had to expel an Iraqi journalist who covered the United Nations for the official Iraqi News Agency, because he was considered a security risk on the eve of war with Iraq. Two U.N.-based Iraqi diplomats also were asked to leave the country.

And some federal immigration officers worry about the possible divided loyalties of the thousands of Iraqi citizens living in the U.S. while the U.S. is engaged in what could be a long war and military occupation of their homeland.

"Should the U.S. attack Iraq, what will the U.S. do about Iraqi citizens living in the U.S. as legal residents with green cards?" asked a U.S. immigration officer in Dallas. "After all, they are not U.S. citizens. They're citizens of Iraq, and their allegiance is not to the U.S., but to Iraq."

Of more concern, says a spokeswoman for Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., are Iraqi nationals burrowing into the U.S. from Mexico.

"The congressman is deeply concerned about the number of people coming across the border illegally who are of Iraqi descent," said Tancredo aide Lara Kennedy in a WorldNetDaily interview. "That is alarming because, unlike those with green cards or visas, we don't know exactly what their intentions are, because we can't keep track of them."

She says the Iraqi nationals were discovered with other OTM – Other Than Mexican – illegal aliens in Border Patrol sweeps near the Sierra Vista, Ariz., border with Mexico, an area south of Tucson.

Tancredo, chairman of Congress' Immigration Reform Caucus, found out about the Iraqis during a recent fact-finding mission with other caucus members to the porous border stretch. Concerned about possible terrorism, he wants troops patrolling the border.

A month after the Sept. 11 attacks, Iraqi-born smuggler George Tajirian pleaded guilty to forging an alliance with a corrupt Mexican immigration officer, Angel Molina Paramo, to smuggle Iraqi, Palestinian, Jordanian, Syrian, Yemeni and other illegal aliens through Mexico and into the U.S.

Gulf War safeguards

During the last Gulf conflict, in 1991, the U.S. government made similar expulsions of Iraqi diplomats, who were considered undercover agents, and also began a program to fingerprint, photograph and register anyone arriving in the U.S. with an Iraqi passport. The registration program continues today and includes most other Muslim-dominated states thanks to post-Sept. 11 immigration security reforms.

After the Gulf War, however, the previous Bush administration resettled some 35,000 Iraqi refugees in America. Thousands more, mostly Iraqi Kurds, followed on their heels throughout the last decade.

Center for Immigration Studies' Steven Camarota says it was a mistake.

"We've had pretty horrible relations with Iraq for the whole 1990s," he said. "Yet the census shows there are about 70,000 immigrants from Iraq living in the United States who said they came here in the 1990s."

All told, he says, there are 112,586 Iraqi immigrants living in the U.S. – third highest among Muslim nations. The government estimates that 1,000 are here illegally, though Camarota says the actual number is more than likely much higher.

Are Iraqi immigrants now a security threat? Probably not if they're here legally, says a Homeland Security Department official.

"Anybody who applies for a green card or permanent residence goes through extensive background checks," said Tim Counts, spokesman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (formerly the INS). "And Iraqis who are naturalized U.S. citizens have also gone through extensive background checks."

He says the background checks are even more thorough since Sept. 11.

"We run their names, fingerprints and photographs through multiple databases, including INTERPOL databases," Counts told WorldNetDaily.

The State Department conducts background checks on visa applicants.

Still, some immigration officers insist there's a question of allegiance even with Iraqi-Americans, seeing that the U.S. does not enforce its oath of allegiance.

Nearly 90 countries allow some form of multiple citizenship, meaning immigrants from many of those countries who become U.S. citizens can hold on to their old passports, vote in their former countries' elections or even serve in their armed forces.

Counts confirmed that the "U.S. does not require somebody to give up their foreign citizenship." More, it's the only country that allows new citizens to maintain the three foreign privileges cited above, as well as swearing allegiance to a foreign state, according to professor Stanley Renshon of the City University of New York.

However, Iraq takes away Iraqi citizenship from former citizens who become Americans, according to an Iraqi Embassy spokesman here. "That's it," he said, "they are no longer citizens and cannot get a passport."
 
I have yet to hear of an "Iraqi terrorist"...other than Saddam.
It's all relative I guess...but the past tells us that we have more to fear from Saudi's and Egyptians.
 
Just because a person is a citizen of a given country does not mean his/her allegiance is to that country, so the suggestion that we should not trust Iraqis because they are not citizens of the US is logically flawed. If citizenship determined allegiance, then we would never have had US citizens committing acts of terrorism against the US, right? McVay and the Unabomber obviously must not have been US citizens, right?

Country of origin or country of citizenship isn't as relevant as knowing why those folks are here. There are a large number of Iraqis in the US because they have fled Iraq and don't have loyalties to Iraq even though they have not changed citizenship.
 
Tweet!!!!

Personal Foul--15 yards.

How racist! How inssensitive! How white European!

How could anyone question the loyalities of Iraqi's in the US. . . particularly the ones entering the US from the across the southern border.

We need to crack down on Swedes. They are obviously the threat to be watched.

Yellow journalism pure and simple.
 
The overwhelming majority of Japanese-Americans held in internment camps during WWII were loyal citizens of America. Those allowed to enlist were noted for their bravery in the European theater.
 
There's thousands of other things crossing the southern border we should worry more about. They're commonly known as Mexicans. Less known is the fact that they have their own sovreign country known as Mexico. There is even a border that seperates "us" and "them". Immigrate legally if you want to come. Otherwise we reserve the right to shoot your dumb butt as you crawl, wade, or climb into our country. Please stay home and burden your own taxpayers. "Us"? Enforce our borders, reform immigration policy and procedures to make legal immigration easier, illegal nigh immpossible and rely on quotas based on world region and total #. Quotas to be annually determined by Congress.

As far as Iraqis? Once here, if they decide to stay Muslim they will thank Allah for how good they've got it. The only dangerous thing to come out of Iraq is the retarded idea of pan-arabism which Iraq has used since it was a state as a tool to get what it wants from other Arab states or the west depending on how it is used. I could care less about Iraqis in this country. If they have their citizenship, I would care even less, then they are Americans.
 
Just as much as any other group that maintains its group identity while living in the U.S. can.... :rolleyes:
 
The sad flip side to this is that every Iraqi refugee I've seen interviewed on almost all news outlets has said that Saddam needs to be removed from power. These people seem to be more in favor of a war with Iraq, or a war to remove Saddam, than any other single group of people.
 
Illegal immigrants don't belong in this country, period! Let them wait in line like everyone else. As far as letting Iraqi nationals in, this is a tough call. How can you discern if they are a refugee yearning for freedom, or a sleeper terrorist waiting to exact revenge for Gulf War I and II? I don't know. I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the price you pay if you are wrong could be too high. Better that their soon-to-be new govt. makes major reforms and they visit as a happy tourist grateful to the US for kicking Saddam's backside.
 
Legal refugees and legal immigrants should be welcomed with open arms into the USA.

They should of course be screened by someone other than the incompetent INS.
 
The overwhelming majority of Japanese-Americans held in internment camps during WWII were loyal citizens of America. Those allowed to enlist were noted for their bravery in the European theater.
Let's let in all the wet-backed Iraqui's that can sneak in. Then they can volunteer in the war against Iraq.:rolleyes:

It's a good thing that the Japanese didn't attack us from within. If they had, that old song wouldn't hold water.
 
Let's let in all the wet-backed Iraqui's that can sneak in. Then they can volunteer in the war against Iraq.
I didn't say to indiscriminately let in Iraqi's or anybody else.
It's a good thing that the Japanese didn't attack us from within. If they had, that old song wouldn't hold water.
True.
And if the gravitational constant was higher, we'd be much closer to the sun. The universe would expand at a much slower rate, if at all. If it were high enough, the Big Band would eventually reverse itself and it would all end the way it started.
If water melted at a much higher temperature, life as we know it could not exist.
If politicians were honest, we would not need a system of checks and balances.
If is such an amazing word.
The director the the FBI at the time concluded that there was no organized threat from Japanese-Americans.
And believe me, I am no fan of the Japanese.
 
Wow, how do threads with such innocent titles turn into immigration debates?

How do you determine whether someone's an illegal immigrant? Whoever doesn't have papers? Just tighten the borders. Get rid of per-child welfare for parents who were on welfare or who were unable to provide for an additional child at the time of conception. The illegal immigration problem (among others) will become somewhat less of a problem within a generation.
 
The director the the FBI at the time concluded that there was no organized threat from Japanese-Americans.
Precisely. However, can we say the same thing of our enimies today? Nay, for they are among us willing and able to do us harm. It's not the American citizens of Iraqi heritage that I am concerned with. It is the legal/illegal aliens of Iraqi or whatever middle-estern heritage that concern me. If they are willing to go to the bother of becoming citizens, they probably aren't terrorists.

Unfortunately, it isn't PC to oust every legal or illegal alien, or even some of them.
 
Ah yes.....the fear of the enemy within. :uhoh:

I live in an Asian country with potentially hostile muslim countries in close proximity. To make things worse....1 in every 5 citizens is a muslim and they have privately said that in a war with our muslim neighbours they WILL side with their muslim "brothers". :fire:

Frankly speaking, I fear war with neighbouring muslim countries not because of thier military might but because we will have to deal with a traitorous, treasonous and large local moslem population. :cuss:
 
I've had the pleasure of working with several mid-eastern types, Iranians, Israelis and Egyptian. All engineer types, most deplore the religious fanaticism of their native and neighboring countries. Well, maybe not the Israelis, tho they do question the continued expansion and the safety of those new inhabitants on those particular frontiers.

I love to listen to their stories of how, when and why they came here. They're free to gripe all they want, yet they all admit that here is better than there. Sorta restores some of my faith in our national experiment as a melting pot.

Each came here to design, build and make money using their knowledge and skill. Each are pretty good guys with the exception that they'll make money off of ya any way they can and like a lot of others in the industry need to be watched in that regard.

Other than that, my experience with legal immigrants, has been positive. Never had a run-in with an illegal. YMMV

Adios
 
Guilty until proven innocent? Why not, the rest of what we used to believe made America different from everyplace else has been trashed. :banghead:

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