AStone
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Rawb77, I'm not that old, but I remember that piece from when I was a kid.
More like me walking stick than a cane, but fills the same niche.
More like me walking stick than a cane, but fills the same niche.
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shanksalot
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the cut off golf club is 36 ish "
the simple metal rod - sniped sharp by a bolt cutter
is 30" . i have a double barrel 12 ga to clear a path.
bugarian makarov $200 in prescott.
the simple metal rod - sniped sharp by a bolt cutter
is 30" . i have a double barrel 12 ga to clear a path.
bugarian makarov $200 in prescott.
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Deltaboy1984
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I making one this summer with a 8 Ball for the Topper.
AStone
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Any other details yet than the 8-ball?
For example, know what kind of wood yet?
Pics will be necessary after making or it didn't happen.
For example, know what kind of wood yet?
Pics will be necessary after making or it didn't happen.
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Deltaboy1984
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Hardwood dowl form the hardware store I have not done nothing so far except get the 8 ball and the dowel rod. It is a 1 inch dowl that I am leaving fullsized with no taper. Hope to get it done this summer when school is out. I can tell you this time of year Teachers are more ready than the students for Summer break.
Kydaviddoyle
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Hi
I've finished up my review/notes of
Kukishin Ryu – Hanbojutsu - Art of Stick fighting
Moti Nativ has created this DVD to provide additional information to the book Stick Fighting: Techniques of Self-Defense by Atsumi, Masaaki, Hatsumi, Masaaki, Chambers, Quentan
Key concepts:
1. Hands slide along stick in strikes.
2. Use of leverage to apply locks and throws.
3. Moving offline of attack.
Ok this DVD has A LOT of info in it. Now I'm not saying that I like all the techniques but it does have a lot to offer.
PROs Many of the techniques are what I call "Drunk Brother-in-law or co-worker techniques" They take care of the treat but without harm to the person but leave them in a position that more damaging techniques could be used if needed. Also the DVD covers a lot of getting offline to avoid the attack and the use of leverage to apply locks and throws.
CONs Some of the techniques are just to complicated for my likening and some will only work if it is a same side grab or across grab. Also the knife defense involve allowing the knife to get in range where I prefer to use the stick to keep the knife beyond my flesh. All of the kick defenses are for front kicks that are above the belt. While these could also be used for side kicks there isn't anything for roundhouse or hook kicks.
General - I think this is a very good DVD for people that have a good base in stick work and/or empty hand self defense. Also very good for law enforcement officer or people that need to avoid injuring attackers. If you need a stick to walk, study some of the more basic DVDs 1st like:
Martial Cane Concepts - A Realistic System of Walking Stick Self-Defense with Michael D. Janich
or
Hapkido Cane; Big Stick Fighting from the Dojo to the Street by Alain Burrese
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You can see the whole review and notes at:
http://sites.google.com/site/davidcanesite/videos/hanbojutsu-dvd
or
http://bit.ly/aXe8jc
I've finished up my review/notes of
Kukishin Ryu – Hanbojutsu - Art of Stick fighting
Moti Nativ has created this DVD to provide additional information to the book Stick Fighting: Techniques of Self-Defense by Atsumi, Masaaki, Hatsumi, Masaaki, Chambers, Quentan
Key concepts:
1. Hands slide along stick in strikes.
2. Use of leverage to apply locks and throws.
3. Moving offline of attack.
Ok this DVD has A LOT of info in it. Now I'm not saying that I like all the techniques but it does have a lot to offer.
PROs Many of the techniques are what I call "Drunk Brother-in-law or co-worker techniques" They take care of the treat but without harm to the person but leave them in a position that more damaging techniques could be used if needed. Also the DVD covers a lot of getting offline to avoid the attack and the use of leverage to apply locks and throws.
CONs Some of the techniques are just to complicated for my likening and some will only work if it is a same side grab or across grab. Also the knife defense involve allowing the knife to get in range where I prefer to use the stick to keep the knife beyond my flesh. All of the kick defenses are for front kicks that are above the belt. While these could also be used for side kicks there isn't anything for roundhouse or hook kicks.
General - I think this is a very good DVD for people that have a good base in stick work and/or empty hand self defense. Also very good for law enforcement officer or people that need to avoid injuring attackers. If you need a stick to walk, study some of the more basic DVDs 1st like:
Martial Cane Concepts - A Realistic System of Walking Stick Self-Defense with Michael D. Janich
or
Hapkido Cane; Big Stick Fighting from the Dojo to the Street by Alain Burrese
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You can see the whole review and notes at:
http://sites.google.com/site/davidcanesite/videos/hanbojutsu-dvd
or
http://bit.ly/aXe8jc
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First, a thank you for the wisdom and good, practical, common sense from members in this thread. I have already learned a lot.
Like many here, I have loved canes and walking sticks for as long as I can remember. Why I never considered them as a practical, less-than-lethal defense option is beyond me; ignorance, I guess. The joke is that I have been seeking a suitable LTL option to my CCL for a while.
While seeking a local source for a stock cane, I ran across a deal on a Cane Masters Dojo cane, and decided I could not live without it. The first thing I did when I got it home was to sand off both the "Cane Masters" logo and the "Tiger Claw Martial Arts Supply" house logos that had been lazer etched into the shaft
(What, exactly, is the point of a covert weapon that screams, "I am a Covert Weapon?"). After the graffiti was gone I hit it with a course of 220 to clean up the shaft and bring out the grain. I decided I wanted a two-tone look, so I wrapped the crook and stained the shaft with 4 coats of MinWax English Chestnut (#233), over the course the week. I'm sort of pleased with how it turned out.
First, a thank you for the wisdom and good, practical, common sense from members in this thread. I have already learned a lot.
Like many here, I have loved canes and walking sticks for as long as I can remember. Why I never considered them as a practical, less-than-lethal defense option is beyond me; ignorance, I guess. The joke is that I have been seeking a suitable LTL option to my CCL for a while.
While seeking a local source for a stock cane, I ran across a deal on a Cane Masters Dojo cane, and decided I could not live without it. The first thing I did when I got it home was to sand off both the "Cane Masters" logo and the "Tiger Claw Martial Arts Supply" house logos that had been lazer etched into the shaft
(What, exactly, is the point of a covert weapon that screams, "I am a Covert Weapon?"). After the graffiti was gone I hit it with a course of 220 to clean up the shaft and bring out the grain. I decided I wanted a two-tone look, so I wrapped the crook and stained the shaft with 4 coats of MinWax English Chestnut (#233), over the course the week. I'm sort of pleased with how it turned out.
Folks, I am in need of some advice. Recently I've been employed by a place where weapons are 100% not allowed (I know, but times are tough) so I'm no longer carrying anything during the workday but for a small swisstech utilikey.
Beyond that issue, I have also been somewhat diagnosed with early arthritis in my left knee. It's not horrible yet, but it already makes me chew painkillers through the day and i'm finding it harder to hide my slight limp. I may need a cane and I've been reading more and more into what everyone has been saying in this thread. I'm very much liking the authentic blackthorn canes, and a guy over 6' tall, pale with red hair, i can get away with a irish cane pretty easily.
I'm looking more for somewhere to purchase one that may not break the bank, but in the same vein, if there are any other good suggestions for non-combat oriented canes that offer some style but more importantly, subtlety... i'm all ears.
Beyond that issue, I have also been somewhat diagnosed with early arthritis in my left knee. It's not horrible yet, but it already makes me chew painkillers through the day and i'm finding it harder to hide my slight limp. I may need a cane and I've been reading more and more into what everyone has been saying in this thread. I'm very much liking the authentic blackthorn canes, and a guy over 6' tall, pale with red hair, i can get away with a irish cane pretty easily.
I'm looking more for somewhere to purchase one that may not break the bank, but in the same vein, if there are any other good suggestions for non-combat oriented canes that offer some style but more importantly, subtlety... i'm all ears.
Carl Levitian
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Dust, try Lollysmith.com. They have a decent selection of both ash and blackthorn.
AStone
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That's beautiful, Hammerson. Great work.
Blackthorns are awfully pricey. There are alternatives like apple.
Clipper
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Had a few computer issues that have kept me from posting pix , but finally got 'em straightened out. This stick was made for a client in Oklahoma. He wanted a more formal stick, and we went with the belled top. Shaft is micarta, and the stainless hardware is brush finished. Overall weight is 28 ounces, and OAL is 38" (the client is real tall). The shaft was finished down to steel wool, is smooth as glass and has no coatings other than a protective lick of Johnson's paste wax.
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AStone
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^ Indeed. Beautiful.
Micarta and satin stainless, niiiiice.
Charles Davis
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Greetings All
Many good comments above. My recomendations are to use a all wood Cane with no metal knobs etc. Hidden blades are definately illegal. The Hapkido style crooked Canes are great for self defense if you have done some training. The carved grips in a cane will weaken it and the ponted horn will raise some police eyebrows. These features can be useful and attractive. As far as material, Hickory is heavy and strong. Crocus wood is lighter but weaker. My Crocus wood canes weight approx 16 oz. My hardened Rattan canes weight 14 oz and I could not beak one again a Oak tree swinging it two handed like a bat. Last tip of the day, never refer to your Combat Cane, Hapkido Cane, Ass kicking Cane etc. Just say "I use my walking Cane for balance and stability"
Ancient Dragon
www.defensivecane.cdavisgoup.com
Many good comments above. My recomendations are to use a all wood Cane with no metal knobs etc. Hidden blades are definately illegal. The Hapkido style crooked Canes are great for self defense if you have done some training. The carved grips in a cane will weaken it and the ponted horn will raise some police eyebrows. These features can be useful and attractive. As far as material, Hickory is heavy and strong. Crocus wood is lighter but weaker. My Crocus wood canes weight approx 16 oz. My hardened Rattan canes weight 14 oz and I could not beak one again a Oak tree swinging it two handed like a bat. Last tip of the day, never refer to your Combat Cane, Hapkido Cane, Ass kicking Cane etc. Just say "I use my walking Cane for balance and stability"
Ancient Dragon
www.defensivecane.cdavisgoup.com
You have some great-looking products for sale, Charles. Good combat canes that don't shout, "I'm a combat cane!"
Agreed. A weighted handle makes for a very powerful weapon, but at the cost of unbalancing it and the fighting cane needs to be able to flip and rotate around smoothly - so your advice is spot-on correct. As a defensive weapon, it seems intuitively obvious to want to swing the cane like a bat, which is why people do like to weight them up. In actual stick-fighting forms, however, the real weight you're working with is your own and that of your opponent. In the style I'm working in, most of the strikes are with the ends of the stick, using stabbing and thrusting moves and swinging it is mainly a way of getting the opponent to retreat.
Another reason to avoid a weighted end is that you want a very light grip and fluid holds, avoiding the "death grip," which weight encourages. The cane is great for takedowns, too, and it's perfectly fine if your opponent gets a hold on it with one or both hands. This kind of fighting is where the rattan cans you have are very effective because they are both light and strong. While it's understandable that people tend to equate weight with strength and power, it isn't necessarily what you want in a cane weapon.
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Agreed. A weighted handle makes for a very powerful weapon, but at the cost of unbalancing it and the fighting cane needs to be able to flip and rotate around smoothly - so your advice is spot-on correct. As a defensive weapon, it seems intuitively obvious to want to swing the cane like a bat, which is why people do like to weight them up. In actual stick-fighting forms, however, the real weight you're working with is your own and that of your opponent. In the style I'm working in, most of the strikes are with the ends of the stick, using stabbing and thrusting moves and swinging it is mainly a way of getting the opponent to retreat.
Another reason to avoid a weighted end is that you want a very light grip and fluid holds, avoiding the "death grip," which weight encourages. The cane is great for takedowns, too, and it's perfectly fine if your opponent gets a hold on it with one or both hands. This kind of fighting is where the rattan cans you have are very effective because they are both light and strong. While it's understandable that people tend to equate weight with strength and power, it isn't necessarily what you want in a cane weapon.
Harley Rider 55
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There's no need to fake anything. It's illegal to ask if you have a disability.
Charles Davis
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Hi all
RE;Cane guns, I have seen a old cane gun with Stag handle, brass trigger and a .410 shotgun steel barrel inside a wood shaft.(single shot of course). This Cane is
1) Very ilegal, and is in the same catagory as a fully automatic (machine) gun.
2) unsafe, as it was designed for black powder loads and would likely blow up.
As far as selecting a all wood cane,
A very simply looking hardened hapkido style crooked cane will not get a second look but is virtually unbreakable. I could not break mine against an Oak tree.
Any cane with a steel shaft or blade inside is illegal also. A final tip, do not refer to your Combat Cane, Hapkido cane, Fighting Cane etc to the police. Just say you use your Cane for balance and stability.
Charles
RE;Cane guns, I have seen a old cane gun with Stag handle, brass trigger and a .410 shotgun steel barrel inside a wood shaft.(single shot of course). This Cane is
1) Very ilegal, and is in the same catagory as a fully automatic (machine) gun.
2) unsafe, as it was designed for black powder loads and would likely blow up.
As far as selecting a all wood cane,
A very simply looking hardened hapkido style crooked cane will not get a second look but is virtually unbreakable. I could not break mine against an Oak tree.
Any cane with a steel shaft or blade inside is illegal also. A final tip, do not refer to your Combat Cane, Hapkido cane, Fighting Cane etc to the police. Just say you use your Cane for balance and stability.
Charles
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Charles Davis
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As a work of art, Canes are fantastic. Wood and metal combinations are endless. I have a polished wood Cane with stag handle, brass trigger and a .410 shotgun barrel in the shaft. Very illegal to carry. There is some good advice above on watching the legality of your Cane. As a defense tool, canes have been carried for years as a self defense tool. I have looked at various cane martial arts like Irish Whiskry stick dancing, hapkido and the Philipine martial arts. There are basic moves that the average non MA can learn easily for self defense with a cane. Check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerEA2XWoDQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerEA2XWoDQ
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Deltaboy1984
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nice job Clipper
Clipper
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Thanks guys. The client said he wanted something different that would be more appropriate in more formal settings than his canemaster cane. I had worked with micarta at work, but usually on flat stock or larger diameters of round stock. Tapering a 1"X36" shaft, with micarta's natural flexibility, proved a bit more challenging than my steel-cored wood pieces, but I finally figured out a way to get the job done, and he and I are both very pleased with the result.
Charles Davis
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Hi all
A footnote on above mentioned Kubotans. The Kubotan is great self defense tool for the street, but be careful. My brother inlaw just had his Kubotan consficated at the airport by a TSA guard plus was interviewed by security police.
re self defense with Canes
for a non threatening self defease Cane that is virtually unbreakable, look at a fire hardened Rattan Hapkido style cane. A good firehardened Rattan cane is also light enought that some basic martial art weapons moves with one or two hands work great. I have been working with Escrima/Kali stick and bo staff moves and also moves from Irish Whiskey stick dancing. The more defensive features on a cane, the more likely the TSA may stop you. you may get through or not. I carry a doctors script for my cane.
A footnote on above mentioned Kubotans. The Kubotan is great self defense tool for the street, but be careful. My brother inlaw just had his Kubotan consficated at the airport by a TSA guard plus was interviewed by security police.
re self defense with Canes
for a non threatening self defease Cane that is virtually unbreakable, look at a fire hardened Rattan Hapkido style cane. A good firehardened Rattan cane is also light enought that some basic martial art weapons moves with one or two hands work great. I have been working with Escrima/Kali stick and bo staff moves and also moves from Irish Whiskey stick dancing. The more defensive features on a cane, the more likely the TSA may stop you. you may get through or not. I carry a doctors script for my cane.
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Deltaboy1984
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I am carrying my Stock Cane more all the time when I go out. It gets no second looks.
I still love my Bubba Stick with it's Brass Knob when I am out in the evenings.
I still love my Bubba Stick with it's Brass Knob when I am out in the evenings.
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