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Clipper
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There are a couple in the earlier pages of this thread. I have a few in various stages I haven't photographed yet, as I have to get out to the garage and make the top collars (BRRrrrrr!).
AStone
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OK, I'm here.
I've only read the first page so far - good stuff -
but will read the remainder this weekend.
First eskrima, now canes.
What can I say: I just like sticks.
After practicing with and carrying a kali stick for a month,
I came to understand that I want a longer one for a walking stick
when I'm out hiking.
A cane seems like just the ticket.
Here to learn ...
Nem
I've only read the first page so far - good stuff -
but will read the remainder this weekend.
First eskrima, now canes.
What can I say: I just like sticks.
After practicing with and carrying a kali stick for a month,
I came to understand that I want a longer one for a walking stick
when I'm out hiking.
A cane seems like just the ticket.
Here to learn ...
Nem
The cane can be a devastating weapon, particularly when used in the spirit of a quarterstaff, with both hands holding it for hard jabs, rakes, and hooks. The natural inclination is to want to swing it but in close quarters it seems to work better as a kind of lever and a jabbing weapon so you can get your entire weight behind it.
AStone
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After hours of search today in Oregon's second largest city, I've learned that there's no hardwood canes here in commercial shops.
(Well, one, but it was not good wood.) I checked medical supply companies, hobby shops, outdoor equipment shops, etc.
(Where else would one look?)
So, just for ***** and giggles, I bought a hardwood garden tool handle and cut it off to 36",
just to have something to handle a bit, play with balance, etc to see what a 36" stick feels like.
I've got a couple of leads about where I might find real canes in town -
private vendors who frequent the Saturday market which starts next week. I'll keep looking.
So far, I'm finding that shipping charges for canes are outrageous - $15 - $25, presumably because of their odd shape.
(Well, one, but it was not good wood.) I checked medical supply companies, hobby shops, outdoor equipment shops, etc.
(Where else would one look?)
So, just for ***** and giggles, I bought a hardwood garden tool handle and cut it off to 36",
just to have something to handle a bit, play with balance, etc to see what a 36" stick feels like.
I've got a couple of leads about where I might find real canes in town -
private vendors who frequent the Saturday market which starts next week. I'll keep looking.
So far, I'm finding that shipping charges for canes are outrageous - $15 - $25, presumably because of their odd shape.
308win
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Check farm supply stores, feed stores, etc. (if they have that kind of store in Oregon's second largest city).
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Deltaboy1984
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Most Farm stores carry nice hardwood canes for stock shows.
You want to get one of this type. They are made for combat. What you're looking for is a sharpened edge at the end of the crook.
AStone
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Farm supply stores! Wow. Duh. Would never have thought of it.
Double duh because that's exactly where I bought my garden handle that got cut to 36".
There's one within 10 blocks of me.
They're closed now or I'd run over. But first thing tomorrow. I'll at least go look, but before I buy, I need to finish reading this thread, and I don't know if that's going to happen tonight. (I got called into work a while ago.)
I also want to contemplate Shockwave's suggestion/caveat that I want a combat cane. I'm not disputing that - I know I do - but the question is, to start with?
I have CaneMaster bookmarked. I've spent hours already over the last few days reading their site, watching their videos, etc. I've also spent a fair amount of time on C Davis Group's site, reading about canes and instructional material. I find a fondness for one of their hardened rattans, but don't quite know the pros and cons yet. (Why do I have a gut level feeling that I'm going to wind up with more than one cane?
)
Now, one more word about that 36" garden tool handle. I started off on my afternoon walk earlier - four hours with a full day pack, including layers, water, food ... it's part of my training regimen for ... well, never mind. I'm just training.
Anyway, I got about 1/4 mi into my walk, turned around and went back for my 28" stick. The 36" straight stick just wasn't working for me; too short to be useful as a walking stick, too long to feel right as a kali.
Within an hour, it'll be a 32" ... something ... long kali? (Just an experiment, purists; just an experiment.)
If I'm going to have a walking stick, it needs to be at least 40", maybe 44".
A cane on the other hand, yeah, with a handle, 36" will work.
Hey, you might say I'm hooked.
<rim shot> badda boom.
Double duh because that's exactly where I bought my garden handle that got cut to 36".
There's one within 10 blocks of me.
They're closed now or I'd run over. But first thing tomorrow. I'll at least go look, but before I buy, I need to finish reading this thread, and I don't know if that's going to happen tonight. (I got called into work a while ago.)
I also want to contemplate Shockwave's suggestion/caveat that I want a combat cane. I'm not disputing that - I know I do - but the question is, to start with?
I have CaneMaster bookmarked. I've spent hours already over the last few days reading their site, watching their videos, etc. I've also spent a fair amount of time on C Davis Group's site, reading about canes and instructional material. I find a fondness for one of their hardened rattans, but don't quite know the pros and cons yet. (Why do I have a gut level feeling that I'm going to wind up with more than one cane?
)Now, one more word about that 36" garden tool handle. I started off on my afternoon walk earlier - four hours with a full day pack, including layers, water, food ... it's part of my training regimen for ... well, never mind. I'm just training.
Anyway, I got about 1/4 mi into my walk, turned around and went back for my 28" stick. The 36" straight stick just wasn't working for me; too short to be useful as a walking stick, too long to feel right as a kali.
Within an hour, it'll be a 32" ... something ... long kali? (Just an experiment, purists; just an experiment.)
If I'm going to have a walking stick, it needs to be at least 40", maybe 44".
A cane on the other hand, yeah, with a handle, 36" will work.
Hey, you might say I'm hooked.
<rim shot> badda boom.
AStone
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At work. Getting it done, but taking a break.
One quick point: the moving images in the banner of CaneMasters web site
makes me not want to buy anything from them.
All that movement is very distracting and adds nothing! (Hello!?)
Sorry for the rant.
One quick point: the moving images in the banner of CaneMasters web site
makes me not want to buy anything from them.
All that movement is very distracting and adds nothing! (Hello!?)
Sorry for the rant.
Here is a link to an inexpensive stock cane. with shipping should be under $20.
http://www.enasco.com/product/C07436N
You can soak the crook and heat with a heat gun/paint stripper till it gets hot, straighten it, and cut the excess off the handle if you wish. There are others on that site but this one seems to be the strongest.
http://www.enasco.com/product/C07436N
You can soak the crook and heat with a heat gun/paint stripper till it gets hot, straighten it, and cut the excess off the handle if you wish. There are others on that site but this one seems to be the strongest.
308win
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Could a cane be made of bamboo and where would one get green bamboo in columbus Ohio?
AStone
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Thanks for the link, Grumps.
Before ordering online, I'm going to exhaust local sources
to save shipping. Besides, I like to fondle before I buy.
Went to that farm store this afternoon.
They indeed did have stock canes, and for a good price ($11), but they were pretty soft wood;
not sure what, but definitely not hickory or oak. I passed on it.
But they gave me several other leads in town for stock canes.
I'll check later in the week.
And, I found a great pair of hiking boots there by Carhartt
(made by Redwing), so the trip wasn't a total loss.
Before ordering online, I'm going to exhaust local sources
to save shipping. Besides, I like to fondle before I buy.
Went to that farm store this afternoon.
They indeed did have stock canes, and for a good price ($11), but they were pretty soft wood;
not sure what, but definitely not hickory or oak. I passed on it.
But they gave me several other leads in town for stock canes.
I'll check later in the week.
And, I found a great pair of hiking boots there by Carhartt
(made by Redwing), so the trip wasn't a total loss.
P97
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I ordered a Stock Cane from a Farm Supply Online. It was a heavy duty Hickory Cane. The Crook was too far rounded and it was unfinished. I cut about 1 1/2" off the crook and reshaped the end. I sanded the cane and finished it. I started with a coat of Golden Oak Stain, then linseed oil until the cane started to quit absorbing it, then switched to Tung Oil. After a few thin coats of it the cane looked beautiful. Then I put a couple of thin coats of Extra Hard Turtle Wax on it. It is Heavy, Beautiful, and goes with me everywhere. It goes where my CCW cant go. Even inside Courtrooms and places where there's metal detectors and extra security. I have to have it to get around.
I no longer recommend getting the Canemaster canes, even though I own one, because a carefully selected hickory stock can can be had at a quarter of the cost, provides a stout striking and jabbing tool and the vast majority of people are not going to get the training to use the hooking techniques. If you want a point on the end of the crook it is a trivial task to simply cut the crook near the tip at an angle to provide the point. Of you want to enhance the griping of the can you can file shallow grooves in the can yourself.
On the other hand, if you want to study the trapping and throwing techniques a crook top cane will permit you should study with a qualified trainer using a training cane with a broad opened crook and rounded tip to facilitate safe training. Then you might want to consider buying the Canemaster canes.
On the other hand, if you want to study the trapping and throwing techniques a crook top cane will permit you should study with a qualified trainer using a training cane with a broad opened crook and rounded tip to facilitate safe training. Then you might want to consider buying the Canemaster canes.
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Deltaboy1984
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I agree HSO they are charging way too much IMO.
AStone
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Haven't progressed very far in finding a cane, because I got overwhelmed with some big changes at work this week.
Well, ok, let me say that differently: I've decided to quit my job and move on to another one. Since I'm the boss, that's turning out to be a little more time consuming than I'd prefer; reinventing myself professionally in a time of economic collapse (did I write that?) is not quite what I'd intended to be doing this year. But que sera and ce la vi (Spanish & French for "whatever"). It's what I get for going into business for myself. (WT ... was I thinking?)
So, I'm pretty busy, and will be for a while. There will be times in coming months when I'm not around here much.
But I digress.
In lieu of a cane for now - not entirely sure i'm ready for one just yet - I've pulled out my backpacking walking stick and started using it for long walks and training hikes in town.
Now, admittedly, my "stick" is a high tech piece of mountaineering wizard gear. It's a Black Diamond Alpine CF Flintlock, aka "trekking pole".
Trekking poles are often used in pairs. Not me. I use a single; only own one. I admit I don't use mine as so much to "trek" - I walk a lot faster without a pole on level ground - but as a stabilizer third leg when on uneven terrain, especially going down slope.
It works better for me, a backpacker who does class 4 (off trail scrambling) than a fixed length pole. I can collapse this one (three telescoping sections) and put it on the side of my day or multi-day packs. It also serves as a tarp pole for ultralight.
So, what I learned years ago while messing around in camp, it can be a formidable weapon. The bottom tip is carbide & about 1-2 mm in diameter. Using a thrust like one would use with a cane, I can drive it firmly into a log with the consistency of a human abdomen or the space between ribs. If it hits ribs - or any other bones - it's going to do considerable damage.
And the pole is very tough & sturdy. Here's a paragraph from that review above about the telescoping locking mechanism, the flintlock:
And of course, it's totally legal, and raises no eye brows. I regularly walk past police cars who notice me.
I hope to never need it as a weapon, but I'll confess to feeling a bit safer when it's in tow, especially while walking around the river banks in town where homeless are camping.
And my kali stick - er, backup dog stick (for both 2- and 4-legged dogs) is strapped to my pack reachable by a backward grab. Ah, yes, even safer still.
PS: Apologies to Deltaboy and others for a temporary cane thread hijack to discuss a trekking pole (tp). I'm not trying to convert the topic here. Maybe there's already a thread devoted to that - tp's as weapons. (And hey, if there's not, maybe I'll start one. ) My main point here was, I learned that a technique that I learned by accident on camping trips with my tp - thrusting - is a common cane technique.
Well, ok, let me say that differently: I've decided to quit my job and move on to another one. Since I'm the boss, that's turning out to be a little more time consuming than I'd prefer; reinventing myself professionally in a time of economic collapse (did I write that?) is not quite what I'd intended to be doing this year. But que sera and ce la vi (Spanish & French for "whatever"). It's what I get for going into business for myself. (WT ... was I thinking?)
So, I'm pretty busy, and will be for a while. There will be times in coming months when I'm not around here much.
But I digress.
In lieu of a cane for now - not entirely sure i'm ready for one just yet - I've pulled out my backpacking walking stick and started using it for long walks and training hikes in town.
Now, admittedly, my "stick" is a high tech piece of mountaineering wizard gear. It's a Black Diamond Alpine CF Flintlock, aka "trekking pole".
Trekking poles are often used in pairs. Not me. I use a single; only own one. I admit I don't use mine as so much to "trek" - I walk a lot faster without a pole on level ground - but as a stabilizer third leg when on uneven terrain, especially going down slope.
It works better for me, a backpacker who does class 4 (off trail scrambling) than a fixed length pole. I can collapse this one (three telescoping sections) and put it on the side of my day or multi-day packs. It also serves as a tarp pole for ultralight.
So, what I learned years ago while messing around in camp, it can be a formidable weapon. The bottom tip is carbide & about 1-2 mm in diameter. Using a thrust like one would use with a cane, I can drive it firmly into a log with the consistency of a human abdomen or the space between ribs. If it hits ribs - or any other bones - it's going to do considerable damage.
And the pole is very tough & sturdy. Here's a paragraph from that review above about the telescoping locking mechanism, the flintlock:
Thus, when you thrust with it, it's like you've got a piece of hardwood in your hand that has a tiny carbide tip at the end.
And of course, it's totally legal, and raises no eye brows. I regularly walk past police cars who notice me.
I hope to never need it as a weapon, but I'll confess to feeling a bit safer when it's in tow, especially while walking around the river banks in town where homeless are camping.
And my kali stick - er, backup dog stick (for both 2- and 4-legged dogs) is strapped to my pack reachable by a backward grab. Ah, yes, even safer still.
PS: Apologies to Deltaboy and others for a temporary cane thread hijack to discuss a trekking pole (tp). I'm not trying to convert the topic here. Maybe there's already a thread devoted to that - tp's as weapons. (And hey, if there's not, maybe I'll start one.
) My main point here was, I learned that a technique that I learned by accident on camping trips with my tp - thrusting - is a common cane technique.
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Steel Talon
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308 win.
Yes, bamboo makes a wickedly srong liteweight cane or a bastone.Where to find it in oyur area???? Maybe call a plant nursery..
ST~
Steel Talon
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Crook Neck stock canes are a great affordable choice for hickory. Cut the crook down to a "duckbill" slope for hooking and grind in on the shaft some gripping curfs. I like to stain mine in the darker colors. When dark it seems to me it's less noticable as a combat wespon
308win
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If I were able to get my hands on green bamboo: 1) What would be the optimal diameter; and 2) Would I be able to put a crook in it by simply soaking the last 10 - 12 inches (or whatever it took) in boiling water then forming it around a jig arrangement and letting it dry?
AStone
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Talon, can you offer a bit more description of that "duckbill slope". I'm not quite getting the image yet ...
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Deltaboy1984
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Keep you canes pics coming !
Clipper
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I finally got off my butt and listed these walking sticks today, so I finally have pics of them to post here. All but one are steel-cored. Woods are Maple, hickory, ash, cherry, and one is a Hickory-Walnut laminate.
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