Carry Gun: Thinking About Rethinking

You may not consider it but I won a shooting contest and second in another with a H&K VP9. It is fairly compact, had a very good trigger and comes with panels to custom fit your hand. The guy that beat me was using a custom gun with a compensator.
 
It’s also possible that you were just having an off day. Were you missing targets that you typically hit with the Sig? Or was this the first time you have used the Sig under the stress of competition?
 
It’s also possible that you were just having an off day. Were you missing targets that you typically hit with the Sig? Or was this the first time you have used the Sig under the stress of competition?
First time, and last second decision. I made good hits on the first 2 shots but felt myself being slow, really came undone trying to speed up. In my head, I should have been able to shoot the gun I carry as accurately and quickly as anything I own, except rimfire. It wasn't getting beat that got my attention, it was my flawed logic.
 
if you are justifiably concerned about “less gun abled” companions being able to quickly and effectively use your preferred centerfire semiauto ccw if you are out of the game, then a 38sp snubbie revolver makes alot of sense. intuitive manual of arms, i.e. aim, pull the trigger, repeat. no limp-wrist concerns. your carry ammo can be softer, and your grips swapped, to accommodate you as well as weaker companions.
That is true, has me swapping my airweight for an all steel snub with a hammer because while I shoot the airweight well, my wife and family don't. The 2 inch all steel snubby is night and day for the less initiated.
 
Pretty informal local stuff. Bowling pins and dueling trees. No timers-just head to head (except steel challenge which is rimfire only). Some accomplished competition shooters come down just for the practice and that's who I try to measure myself against.

Got it. Well, it's probably still a good idea to evaluate your carry gun and skill with with a more realistic test (i.e. drawing from concealment and then some repeatable shooting actions like the Bill Drill I mentioned earlier as an example). At some point, I think you'll agree that basic marksmanship is a requirement, but not the limiting factor in success or failure.
 
First time, and last second decision. I made good hits on the first 2 shots but felt myself being slow, really came undone trying to speed up. In my head, I should have been able to shoot the gun I carry as accurately and quickly as anything I own, except rimfire. It wasn't getting beat that got my attention, it was my flawed logic.

Getting faster isn't typically accomplished by simply trying to go faster. It comes from a combination of improving efficiency of motion, developing a rock solid index as you present the gun from the holster, minimizing errors, reacting faster, developing confidence in your index and sight picture, and also moving faster as well. That takes time and specific training/practice. You also need to understand that how quickly you can see what you need to see for any given task is a limiting factor, which you can also improve.
 
As mentioned in another thread, a couple of things happened recently that have me considering rethinking what I carry.

The first thing was shooting my carry gun (Officer size SIG 1911 .45) in a competition and getting smoked. Granted, I was shooting my bone stock gun against a CZ Orange running an optic, Comp, etc...but felt like I should have been able to make it respectable. I didn't.

The 2nd thing was when I was shooting with my 13 year old son last weekend, he decided he wanted to try shooting my carry gun. He'd never shot anything bigger than 9mm in my Dan Wesson Guardian. 2 rounds fired. First hit the 8" steel at 25'. 2nd went who knows where, but the recoil really bothered him and he was done shooting it.

So my concerns are:
1- I can't honestly say I carry the gun I shoot best. I know I can't carry a competition level gun, but I do shoot the DW better. It's got a bigger profile and isn't as easy to conceal though.

2-I don't choose what to carry based on how someone else shoots my gun, but the thought crossed my mind... We'd talked about a situation when we're out somewhere, things happen. I become incapacitated and I'm unable to defend my kid or myself. He knows how I carry and how the gun functions and would ideally give himself a chance at least. But he can't shoot this gun.

Overthinking? Worth considering? Complete overhaul needed?

I don't carry the gun that I shoot best either. I carry guns that fit what ever I am wearing the best so that I always have a gun on me when ever I leave the house.

If someone corners me in a dark alley and challenges me to a make shift bowling pin match... I guess I am screwed! ...but at least I am guaranteed to have A gun on me.
 
Getting faster isn't typically accomplished by simply trying to go faster
Yeah, I get that. I usually shoot those matches with either the full size 38 Super or the Guardian 9mm. There's a certain rhythm between shots and transitions where I can usually pick up the pace. I was never in rhythm that day with that gun.
 
I don't carry the gun that I shoot best either. I carry guns that fit what ever I am wearing the best so that I always have a gun on me when ever I leave the house.

If someone corners me in a dark alley and challenges me to a make shift bowling pin match... I guess I am screwed! ...but at least I am guaranteed to have A gun on me.

You may have a gun, but youre missing the point of what the bowling pin represents, and if you cant reliably hit that when called on to do so with what you have, you are screwed. ;)
 
You may have a gun, but youre missing the point of what the bowling pin represents, and if you cant reliably hit that when called on to do so with what you have, you are screwed. ;)

I practice and am very proficient with all my carry pistols. That doesn't mean that I am as fast and accurate with them as my tricked out 1911's with red dots.

I have several friends what will ONLY carry their high end 1911's... but they never seem to have a gun on them even though they have CCL's.

The one time I had to draw my carry gun my LCP got the job done and dispatched the deer with 3 mangled legs. True, it wasn't powerful enough to put my friends mangled Honda Accord out of its misery though.
 
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I've been thinking about how to say this but unless you're carrying a Taurus or a Llama the gun is probably the least part of the equation.

Paying attention to your surroundings and avoiding stupid people doing stupid things at stupid places will put you way ahead of the curve.
 
Wonder why the double stacks didn't catch on back then?
The U.S. market was still largely focused on revolvers and 1911 .45’s at that time, I imagine.

I will note that when double-stack DA/SA’s did eventually catch on, it was in metal-framed guns (various 2nd-gen and 3rd-gen S&Ws, Beretta 92, Ruger P-85, CZ, etc), many of which had very nice SA triggers for everything but the first shot.

Glock can be credited with popularizing polymer frames and striker-fired, but double-stack “wondernines” were already very popular by then.
 
As mentioned in another thread, a couple of things happened recently that have me considering rethinking what I carry.

The first thing was shooting my carry gun (Officer size SIG 1911 .45) in a competition and getting smoked. Granted, I was shooting my bone stock gun against a CZ Orange running an optic, Comp, etc...but felt like I should have been able to make it respectable. I didn't.

The 2nd thing was when I was shooting with my 13 year old son last weekend, he decided he wanted to try shooting my carry gun. He'd never shot anything bigger than 9mm in my Dan Wesson Guardian. 2 rounds fired. First hit the 8" steel at 25'. 2nd went who knows where, but the recoil really bothered him and he was done shooting it.

So my concerns are:
1- I can't honestly say I carry the gun I shoot best. I know I can't carry a competition level gun, but I do shoot the DW better. It's got a bigger profile and isn't as easy to conceal though.

2-I don't choose what to carry based on how someone else shoots my gun, but the thought crossed my mind... We'd talked about a situation when we're out somewhere, things happen. I become incapacitated and I'm unable to defend my kid or myself. He knows how I carry and how the gun functions and would ideally give himself a chance at least. But he can't shoot this gun.

Overthinking? Worth considering? Complete overhaul needed?
Regarding the quoted Concern #1, I shoot medium-frame and “medium-large” revolvers more consistently better than anything else. That is what I normally carry, as a “primary” handgun. I did not grow up among handguns, and bought a 1911 when I was old enough to do so. I soon had to carry train, at a police academy, with an S&W L-Frame revolver, followed by being mandated to use DA revolvers as my only carry handguns, 24/7/365, during my rookie period. I had considered revolvers to be quaint, but soon learned to like them, and trained trained diligently, with a residual result that some revolvers are now my best choice for optimal performance, especially if working from a cold start, and/or under stress. Moreover, my once-“stronger” right hand, arm, and shoulder have not aged well. An auto-loading handgun is at its best when run with two physically-capable hands.

Regarding the quoted Concern #2, well, my wife, who does not have small hands, is most familiar with, and performs best, with S&W K-Frame and similar-sized revolvers. She has a Texas License To Carry. It does makes sense that we can use each other’s primary handguns.

When I do carry an auto-loader, it is usually a supplement/complement to a short-barreled revolver.

Regarding Officer’s ACP-sized 1911 pistols, those things are frisky to shoot, for those unfamiliar with them. I had bad luck finding one that was reliable, so, after about four or five attempts, with three brands, gave up on that whole category of 1911, some time before 2002. A beginner can learn to like a compact 1911, but, it would normally require taking small, easy steps, with special attention to support hand techique.
 
OP, you might be too hard on yourself. That you carry, practice and compete tells me that you take this responsibility more seriously than most gun owners. While there is always room for improvement, you should carry what you’re comfortable with.
I got my M&P compact after I trained with a full-sized 40 at my old job. I liked how it shot and I wanted to keep a lot of the same muscle memory and sight picture. That was a dozen years and many thousands of rounds ago. I still carry it because it’s instinctive for me at this point.
 
I carried my Colt Commercial made in 1964 for a long time, but often had to leave it home in summer's hot days when it was tougher to conceal. I switched to my Khr E9 in 9mm and rarely carry my beloved old Colt much anymore. The smaller sized compact Kahr is easier to wear and easier to conceal. Not the firepower of a .45ACP, but at least I carry more now.
 
OP you know what was fun. I took my son to an indoor range and we tried different pistols. Little did I know he would turn into a 1911 snob but we shot Glocks, XD/XDMs, M&Ps. I walked out with a new respect for just how nice compact 9mms were to shoot. You and your son should think about that. Not only would you have fun, but your son can also identify what he likes. It’s always more fun when them kids get involved. Plus you just might find something you can’t live without!! Don’t forget to rent a SIG P365XL or a Kimber R7 mako!! Ha!
 
OP you know what was fun. I took my son to an indoor range and we tried different pistols. Little did I know he would turn into a 1911 snob but we shot Glocks, XD/XDMs, M&Ps. I walked out with a new respect for just how nice compact 9mms were to shoot. You and your son should think about that. Not only would you have fun, but your son can also identify what he likes. It’s always more fun when them kids get involved. Plus you just might find something you can’t live without!! Don’t forget to rent a SIG P365XL or a Kimber R7 mako!! Ha!
May try that sometime. Except for the compact .45, my kid likes everything I have...which means eventually I'll have to get him one or lose mine.
He handles the SIG P238 .380 pretty well and the 9mm commander and full size 9mm 1911's really well.
He also does well with his .22 pistols and rifles on steel targets but not really patient with shooting off the bench.
 
Overthinking? Worth considering? Complete overhaul needed?

There are guns that are nice to carry and there are guns that are nice to shoot. But those are different guns...

Any self-defense will probably not take place in a well lit hallway at 50 ft while wearing hearing & eye protection, using a squared stance. It will be chaos, it will be quick, it will be dark and it will be a totally unanticipated surprise pushing an adrenalin dump through your body like never before.

If the gun requires more than four functioning brain cells to bring ready & operate, I'll be out of luck in a scenario like that... So while you're not overthinking, be realistic about your capabilities and account for them in your choices.
 
I carry a 1911 Commander in .45 acp and have for 14 yrs. I've competed in IDPA matches with it. I liked how one non-centered hit with the .45 would knock down a popper and how folks with 9mm guns didn't enjoy that advantage. That said, I have re-thought my carry and after searching and studying a little bit, I have decided upon a 1911-style doublestack pistol in the puny 9mm caliber to be a possible replacement for my beloved EDC.

One reason is possibly better recoil management with my softening 1950s body. Other reasons include magazine capacity and maybe I wanted a new gun.

I think it is good to keep one's carry option open to re-evaluation from time to time. But, it is like most have already said, that to maximize one's self-defense effectiveness using the tool of choice requires good training and practice.
 
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